Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 01:58:19 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >news:2kf9vvk2pmfb4m024bjjcf5urlk35t861n@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:33:07 -0500, "Routerider"
> >> <oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote ...
> >> >
> >> >> More phoney scholarship. That is not the origin of the word at all.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was coined by T H Huxley. It has no more Biblical Greek
provenance
> >than
> >> >> the word 'telephone'.
> >> >>
> >> >> Keep it up. Every post you write shows how little you know.
> >> >>
> >> >> Uncle Davey
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Here is what Merriam Webster says:
> >> >
> >> >Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos
known,
> >from
> >> >gignOskein to know.
> >> >
> >> >Sounds to me like BB has it right.
> >>
> >> Especially since BB got it from there. Including the bottom part that
> >> you didn't quote.
> >>
> >> I just got tired of seeing Jason calling people agnostics, atheists,
> >> and heretics because they don't bow down and worship him.
> >>
> >> Uncle Davey, you are doing the boy more harm than good. He needs to
> >> learn how to behave like a man and you are not helping him by trying
> >> to fight his battles for him.
> >>
> >> BB
> >>
> >
> >The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology by T. F. Hoad ISBN
> >0-19-861182-x is the standard etymological dictionary for English, and
that
> >is my source. That is why Hoad gives the actual coinage of the word,
where
> >as Mirriam Webster goes into the realm of folk etymology. A more common
word
> >than 'gnOstos' was 'gnOrimos' for the meanings you give, (source, Oxford
> >Classical Greek Dictionary) so were it not for the word being a much
later
> >coinage from Gnosticism and the gnostics, then the term would more likely
> >have come to us as 'agnorimos'. It does actually come to us almost in
that
> >form anyway, but via Latin, which switched the vowels, so we have
> >'ignoramous'. A word, Bob, which you could justifiably tattoo on your
chest,
> >if tattoos were not expressly outlawed in the Old Testament.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >Uncle Davey
> >
> Uncle Davey:
>
> Your foolishness surpasses your arrogance.
>
> I could care less what the Concise Oxford Dictionary of English
> Etymology says. Jason is the one calling people agnostics, atheists,
> and heretics. He is American and learns from American dictionaries
> and if you hadn't noticed he speaks American English and for the most
> part he is speaking to Americans. Besides, when it fits you can't
> acquit.
>
> Why don't you stop trying to stick up for Jason and let him clean up
> his own messes. We clean up after dogs and cats, not people. Or, are
> you trying to clean up Jason's messes to clear your own conscience?
>
> BB
That's what people said when the Jews were attacked by the nazis, let them
stick up for themselves.
But Bonhoeffer was the one who gave the quote about how when they came for
the Jews, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't a Jew, when they came for
the Communists, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't one of them either,
etc etc, and then when they came for me, there wasn't anyone left to stick
up for me.
Now it is Jason getting ganged up on, more than I am. But if he gets
finished off, then all of this hate will just devolve on me. You will be
ganging up with scientologists and atheists against me, if you can only get
rid of the stronger one first...
And if you don't like European source material about the Greek, find
yourself some Ancient Greeks in America, imperialistboy.
Uncle Davey
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