On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 01:58:19 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
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>Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>news:2kf9vvk2pmfb4m024bjjcf5urlk35t861n@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:33:07 -0500, "Routerider"
>> <oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote ...
>> >
>> >> More phoney scholarship. That is not the origin of the word at all.
>> >>
>> >> It was coined by T H Huxley. It has no more Biblical Greek provenance
>than
>> >> the word 'telephone'.
>> >>
>> >> Keep it up. Every post you write shows how little you know.
>> >>
>> >> Uncle Davey
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Here is what Merriam Webster says:
>> >
>> >Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos known,
>from
>> >gignOskein to know.
>> >
>> >Sounds to me like BB has it right.
>>
>> Especially since BB got it from there. Including the bottom part that
>> you didn't quote.
>>
>> I just got tired of seeing Jason calling people agnostics, atheists,
>> and heretics because they don't bow down and worship him.
>>
>> Uncle Davey, you are doing the boy more harm than good. He needs to
>> learn how to behave like a man and you are not helping him by trying
>> to fight his battles for him.
>>
>> BB
>>
>
>The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology by T. F. Hoad ISBN
>0-19-861182-x is the standard etymological dictionary for English, and that
>is my source. That is why Hoad gives the actual coinage of the word, where
>as Mirriam Webster goes into the realm of folk etymology. A more common word
>than 'gnOstos' was 'gnOrimos' for the meanings you give, (source, Oxford
>Classical Greek Dictionary) so were it not for the word being a much later
>coinage from Gnosticism and the gnostics, then the term would more likely
>have come to us as 'agnorimos'. It does actually come to us almost in that
>form anyway, but via Latin, which switched the vowels, so we have
>'ignoramous'. A word, Bob, which you could justifiably tattoo on your chest,
>if tattoos were not expressly outlawed in the Old Testament.
>
>Best,
>
>Uncle Davey
>
Uncle Davey:
Your foolishness surpasses your arrogance.
I could care less what the Concise Oxford Dictionary of English
Etymology says. Jason is the one calling people agnostics, atheists,
and heretics. He is American and learns from American dictionaries
and if you hadn't noticed he speaks American English and for the most
part he is speaking to Americans. Besides, when it fits you can't
acquit.
Why don't you stop trying to stick up for Jason and let him clean up
his own messes. We clean up after dogs and cats, not people. Or, are
you trying to clean up Jason's messes to clear your own conscience?
BB
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