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From: Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>
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Subject: Re: Hello T.O.
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:07:23 +0000 (UTC)
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In free.christians I read this message from "Piorokrat"
<piorokrat@autograf.pl>:
>
>> In talk.origins I read this message from "Piorokrat"
>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl>:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >My view of God is that he can simply call things into existence in an
>> >already completed and mature state.
>>
>> I thought this was what you meant, but I could not believe it.
>> You actually believe in a God who deceives people. That is what
>> you have said. God makes things look like they have a past, a
>> history. They look like they had gone through events that had not
>> taken place. So, for instance, God could have created the world
>> Last Thursday and just made it look old. How could you tell if
>> you have a God willing to deceive people like that?
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>
>There is so much deceit in this world that if we are going to start blaming
>God for deceit we'll get nowhere regardless of what we think about evolution
>and creation.
Huh?
>The point is he TOLD us that it was made perfect, ie. mature.
How do you go from "perfect" to "mature"? Perhaps you can argue
that since the world is perfect it does not change. That would
make some sense even though it is contradicted by observation.
But I see nothing that says perfect is mature. And God does not
say the world is perfect, he ways it is good.
>If you chosse to believe otherwise, up to you.
Believe you and your understanding? No, I don't choose to do
that. Otherwise please do not confuse yourself with God.
>It's obvious that when Adam was made at creation, he already was made say 33
>years old, he didn't have to wait 33 years of earthly life like Christ did,
>who was never created but was made flesh in this world a baby.
So Christ was not perfect, right?
>He and Eve were created already grown up people, with a language that they
>could speak normally learned for years from parents. Some people say Adam
>would have had no navel, but I see no problem with him even having been
>created with a navel. Everyone else has one.
Did they have navels? (This is a serious question.) Did they have
scars from childhood accidents that never occurred? How about
memories?
>I don't see the deceit there, it only looks like deceit if you've been
>believing the humanist version of the world, which really is a deceit.
The deceit is making the world look old, making it look like
events had occurred that had not occurred.
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