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From: John Harshman <jharshman.diespamdie@pacbell.net>
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Piorokrat wrote:
>
>>In talk.origins I read this message from "Piorokrat"
>><piorokrat@autograf.pl>:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>
>>>My view of God is that he can simply call things into existence in an
>>>already completed and mature state.
>>>
>>I thought this was what you meant, but I could not believe it.
>>You actually believe in a God who deceives people. That is what
>>you have said. God makes things look like they have a past, a
>>history. They look like they had gone through events that had not
>>taken place. So, for instance, God could have created the world
>>Last Thursday and just made it look old. How could you tell if
>>you have a God willing to deceive people like that?
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>
>
> There is so much deceit in this world that if we are going to start blaming
> God for deceit we'll get nowhere regardless of what we think about evolution
> and creation.
>
> The point is he TOLD us that it was made perfect, ie. mature.
>
> If you chosse to believe otherwise, up to you.
>
> It's obvious that when Adam was made at creation, he already was made say 33
> years old, he didn't have to wait 33 years of earthly life like Christ did,
> who was never created but was made flesh in this world a baby.
>
> He and Eve were created already grown up people, with a language that they
> could speak normally learned for years from parents. Some people say Adam
> would have had no navel, but I see no problem with him even having been
> created with a navel. Everyone else has one.
>
> I don't see the deceit there, it only looks like deceit if you've been
> believing the humanist version of the world, which really is a deceit.
So how far are you willing to take this? Did God create the world 6000
years ago with light on its way here from supernovae that never actually
happened? Miles of sedimentary rocks containing fossils of organisms
that never lived? Igneous rocks with radionuclides in various stages of
decay?
In fact is the entire universe consistent with an age of billions of
years, through creation, a few thousand years ago, of all the evidence
for that age?
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