John Harshman wrote:
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> Lenny Flank wrote:
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>>John Harshman wrote:
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>>>Lenny Flank wrote:
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>>>>Piorokrat wrote:
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>>>>>>Piorokrat wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Uncle Davey wrote:
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>>>>>>>>[snip]
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>>>>>>>>>So, for me, the best definition of a kind, true to both what I have
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>>>>>been
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>>>>>>>>>priviledged to observe of nature as well as in the Word of God, would
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>>>>>be
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>>>>>>>>>"the whole population of descendents of a group of animals or plants
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>>>>>>>which,
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>>>>>>>>>at the time of their creation, were able to breed and have offspring
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>>>>>>>that
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>>>>>>>>>were fertile."
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>>>>>>>>Sounds fine to me. Now how do you go about telling, in the present
>>>>>>>>world, whether two organisms belong to the same or different kinds?
>>>>>>>>Because all the evidence leads *me* to believe that there's only one
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>>>>>kind.
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>>>>>>>>In particular, how do you tell that humans belong to a different kind
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>>>>>>>>from the African apes?
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>>>>>>>Well I've given you a philosophical answer. I didn't say it would be
>>>>>>>possible to check and know for sure exactly what is in the same kind.
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>>>>>>Surely you have some idea of the limits, and some idea of criteria for
>>>>>>basing your decisions. I'm suspecting you think that humans and apes
>>>>>>belong to different kinds. I'm suspecting you disagree with my position,
>>>>>>which is that there is a single kind containing all life. I'm just
>>>>>>asking what basis you have for these opinions, if indeed you hold them.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, I do believe that humans are a separate kind from apes, and the reason
>>>>>is that I cannot see with the length of the human generational cycle, even
>>>>>if we made it as short as twenty years, would be enough to enable us to go
>>>>>back a maximum of ten thousand years and therefore five hundred generations
>>>>>and get something that could have interbred with apes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Behe disagrees with you and thinks you're full of shit. And he, unlike
>>>>you, is a working scientist. <shrug>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why is he wrong and you're right.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This seems to be an argument from authority and nothing more. If he
>>>doesn't know or care who Michael Behe is (and why should he), it loses
>>>all potential force. Why keep bringing it up?
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>Because Davey's entire argument consists solely of his OWN arguemnt from
>>authority ---- "My interpretation of Christianity says humans aren't
>>evolved from apes, therefore they aren't".
>>
>>Behe is also a Christian (and a creationist). He thinks humans evolved
>>from apes.
>>
>>Ergo Davey's argument from authority is a crock of shit. Unless Davey
>>can tell me why HIS religious or scientific authority is better than
>>Behe's. Or anybody else's for that matter.
>>
>>That's why I keep bringing it up.
>
>
>
> Then you have to explain to him who Behe is.
He is capable of doing a Google search, I presume.
It's not MY fault that Davey wants to yammer stupidly about topics he
doesn't know anything about. <shrug>
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