John Harshman wrote:
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> Lenny Flank wrote:
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>>Piorokrat wrote:
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>>>>Piorokrat wrote:
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>>>>>>Uncle Davey wrote:
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>>>>>>[snip]
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>>>>>>>So, for me, the best definition of a kind, true to both what I have
>>>>>>>
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>>>been
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>>>>>>>priviledged to observe of nature as well as in the Word of God, would
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>>>be
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>>>>>>>"the whole population of descendents of a group of animals or plants
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>>>>>which,
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>>>>>>>at the time of their creation, were able to breed and have offspring
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>>>>>that
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>>>>>>>were fertile."
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>>>>>>Sounds fine to me. Now how do you go about telling, in the present
>>>>>>world, whether two organisms belong to the same or different kinds?
>>>>>>Because all the evidence leads *me* to believe that there's only one
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>>>kind.
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>>>>>>In particular, how do you tell that humans belong to a different kind
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>>>>>>from the African apes?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well I've given you a philosophical answer. I didn't say it would be
>>>>>possible to check and know for sure exactly what is in the same kind.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Surely you have some idea of the limits, and some idea of criteria for
>>>>basing your decisions. I'm suspecting you think that humans and apes
>>>>belong to different kinds. I'm suspecting you disagree with my position,
>>>>which is that there is a single kind containing all life. I'm just
>>>>asking what basis you have for these opinions, if indeed you hold them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, I do believe that humans are a separate kind from apes, and the reason
>>>is that I cannot see with the length of the human generational cycle, even
>>>if we made it as short as twenty years, would be enough to enable us to go
>>>back a maximum of ten thousand years and therefore five hundred generations
>>>and get something that could have interbred with apes.
>>
>>Behe disagrees with you and thinks you're full of shit. And he, unlike
>>you, is a working scientist. <shrug>
>>
>>
>>Why is he wrong and you're right.
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>
>
> This seems to be an argument from authority and nothing more. If he
> doesn't know or care who Michael Behe is (and why should he), it loses
> all potential force. Why keep bringing it up?
>
Because Davey's entire argument consists solely of his OWN arguemnt from
authority ---- "My interpretation of Christianity says humans aren't
evolved from apes, therefore they aren't".
Behe is also a Christian (and a creationist). He thinks humans evolved
from apes.
Ergo Davey's argument from authority is a crock of shit. Unless Davey
can tell me why HIS religious or scientific authority is better than
Behe's. Or anybody else's for that matter.
That's why I keep bringing it up.
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