Lenny Flank wrote:
> Piorokrat wrote:
>
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>>>Piorokrat wrote:
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>>>>>Uncle Davey wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>[snip]
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>>>>>
>>>>>>So, for me, the best definition of a kind, true to both what I have
>>>>>>
>>been
>>
>>
>>>>>>priviledged to observe of nature as well as in the Word of God, would
>>>>>>
>>be
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>>>>>>"the whole population of descendents of a group of animals or plants
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>>>>which,
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>>>>>>at the time of their creation, were able to breed and have offspring
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>>>>that
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>>>>>>were fertile."
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>>>>>Sounds fine to me. Now how do you go about telling, in the present
>>>>>world, whether two organisms belong to the same or different kinds?
>>>>>Because all the evidence leads *me* to believe that there's only one
>>>>>
>>kind.
>>
>>
>>>>>In particular, how do you tell that humans belong to a different kind
>>>>>
>>>>>from the African apes?
>>>>
>>>>Well I've given you a philosophical answer. I didn't say it would be
>>>>possible to check and know for sure exactly what is in the same kind.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Surely you have some idea of the limits, and some idea of criteria for
>>>basing your decisions. I'm suspecting you think that humans and apes
>>>belong to different kinds. I'm suspecting you disagree with my position,
>>>which is that there is a single kind containing all life. I'm just
>>>asking what basis you have for these opinions, if indeed you hold them.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, I do believe that humans are a separate kind from apes, and the reason
>>is that I cannot see with the length of the human generational cycle, even
>>if we made it as short as twenty years, would be enough to enable us to go
>>back a maximum of ten thousand years and therefore five hundred generations
>>and get something that could have interbred with apes.
>
> Behe disagrees with you and thinks you're full of shit. And he, unlike
> you, is a working scientist. <shrug>
>
>
> Why is he wrong and you're right.
This seems to be an argument from authority and nothing more. If he
doesn't know or care who Michael Behe is (and why should he), it loses
all potential force. Why keep bringing it up?
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