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> Piorokrat wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >>Uncle Davey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>[snip]
> >>
> >>
> >>>So, for me, the best definition of a kind, true to both what I have
been
> >>>priviledged to observe of nature as well as in the Word of God, would
be
> >>>"the whole population of descendents of a group of animals or plants
> >
> > which,
> >
> >>>at the time of their creation, were able to breed and have offspring
> >
> > that
> >
> >>>were fertile."
> >>
> >>
> >>Sounds fine to me. Now how do you go about telling, in the present
> >>world, whether two organisms belong to the same or different kinds?
> >>Because all the evidence leads *me* to believe that there's only one
kind.
> >>
> >>In particular, how do you tell that humans belong to a different kind
> >>from the African apes?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Well I've given you a philosophical answer.
>
>
>
>
> Oops---you mis-spelled "religious answer".
>
>
> Is that because you don't have a scientific answer?
>
It's because science doesn't necessarily have an answer to the question
"what is a biblical kind?".
Or do you think it does?
In any event, that was the question that was asked.
>
>
>
> I didn't say it would be
> > possible to check and know for sure exactly what is in the same kind.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Uh, if you can't tell what a kind is aor whether two things are or are
> not different "kinds", then how the hell can you tell whether or not one
> "kind" has evolved into another?
>
> Or do you just want us to take your religious word for it?
>
>
The question was, how does one define a biblical kind.
By definition a biblical kind will not evolve into another.
>
>
>
> > I can say that probably all the Corydoras are in the same kind, but for
all
> > I know there might have been more than one kind of Corydoras, or maybe
the
> > Corydoras are in one kind with the Aspidoras. I really have no way of
being
> > sure about it.
> >
>
>
>
>
> Then how can you be sure that one kind cannot evolve into another kind.
>
Kinds are like that.
Kinda.
>
>
>
>
> > But the same applies to the Linnean taxa, such as species, genus, etc.
There
> > has been to my mind, speaking really only from what I know which is
> > ichthyology, no end of subjectivity in how these taxa are defined and
> > applied.
>
>
>
>
>
> Right. That's because these entities all evolve into each other. They
> are not distinct and separate.
>
> They are not separate "kinds".
>
There must be separate kinds amongst them , it's just where exactly the cut
off is that is the tricky question.
>
>
>
> There are fish that have about 6 or 7 synonyms for their Linnean
> > binomial. Have a look at Pseudorinelepis, for example. (I've got a
female
> > that is egg bound, and I'm looking for a male by the way.)
> >
>
>
>
>
> Er, so what.
>
Duh! So I need a male one, obviously.
You know any hermaphrodite catfishes?
Uncle Davey
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