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Piorokrat wrote:



>
>>
>>Uncle Davey wrote:
>>
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>
>>>So, for me, the best definition of a kind, true to both what I have been
>>>priviledged to observe of nature as well as in the Word of God, would be
>>>"the whole population of descendents of a group of animals or plants
>
> which,
>
>>>at the time of their creation, were able to breed and have offspring
>
> that
>
>>>were fertile."
>>
>>
>>Sounds fine to me. Now how do you go about telling, in the present
>>world, whether two organisms belong to the same or different kinds?
>>Because all the evidence leads *me* to believe that there's only one kind.
>>
>>In particular, how do you tell that humans belong to a different kind
>>from the African apes?
>>
>
>
> Well I've given you a philosophical answer.




Oops---you mis-spelled "religious answer".


Is that because you don't have a scientific answer?




I didn't say it would be
> possible to check and know for sure exactly what is in the same kind.
>





Uh, if you can't tell what a kind is aor whether two things are or are
not different "kinds", then how the hell can you tell whether or not one
"kind" has evolved into another?

Or do you just want us to take your religious word for it?





> I can say that probably all the Corydoras are in the same kind, but for all
> I know there might have been more than one kind of Corydoras, or maybe the
> Corydoras are in one kind with the Aspidoras. I really have no way of being
> sure about it.
>




Then how can you be sure that one kind cannot evolve into another kind.





> But the same applies to the Linnean taxa, such as species, genus, etc. There
> has been to my mind, speaking really only from what I know which is
> ichthyology, no end of subjectivity in how these taxa are defined and
> applied.





Right.  That's because these entities all evolve into each other.  They
are not distinct and separate.

They are not separate "kinds".




There are fish that have about 6 or 7 synonyms for their Linnean
> binomial. Have a look at Pseudorinelepis, for example. (I've got a female
> that is egg bound, and I'm looking for a male by the way.)
>




Er, so what.






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