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"Piorokrat" <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote in message
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>
> news:zRjCb.62749$bC.27746@clgrps13...
> >
> > "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> > news:brc5ro$ptq$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
> > >
> > > news:F7cCb.2396$Co1.644@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > > > 1MAN4ALL wrote:
> > > > > "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> news:<qhSBb.396
> > > > >
> > > > >> Explain what you wish. Ignore what you wish. The entire page is
> > > > >> important.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you wish. I'll explain the first five.
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate your responses. I have some comments and responses to
> > yours.
> > > > They are written below.
> > > >
> > > > > Under your heading:
> > > > >> THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS
> > > > >
> > > > >> Chapter 2: The Cow 2.135: And they say: Be Jews or Christians,
you
> > > > >> will be on > the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion
> of
> > > > >> Ibrahim, the Hanif,
> > > > >> and he was not one of the polytheists.
> > > > >
> > > > > This verse refers to the fact that Abraham was neither a "Jew" nor
a
> > > > > "Christian" and yet he was the most upright man in the eyes of
God.
> In
> > > > > other words, one does not have to belong to a race of "Chosen
> People"
> > > > > or merely believe in Jesus to become "saved."
> > > >
> > > > Jesus Christ didn't come until hundreds of years after Abraham.
> > > Therefore,
> > > > people don't call Abraham a Christian. However, he is known as
> "Father
> > > > Abraham" because he was the father to the Jewish nation.
> > > >
> > > > Now, the second sentence you wrote may be a Muslim belief. However,
> if
> > > you
> > > > want to convince a Christian that what you say is true, it would be
> more
> > > > credible to cite more than Cow 2.135. If all you cite is this
> passage,
> > > then
> > > > all we have is non-biblical literature saying Christians are wrong.
> > This
> > > > isn't surprising or very credible; in itself.
> > > >
> > > > > It is Muslims, like
> > > > > Prophet Abraham, who believe in one God, without associating
> partners
> > > > > in His divinity, and must follow the right path which God has
shown
> > > > > through His prophets (Abraham Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and
Prophet
> > > > > Muhammad.) See also the next verse, 2:136.
> > > >
> > > > Abraham knew Yahweh. He knew Elohim. He knew the Holy Spirit.
> > > Therefore,
> > > > the Godhead was surely known to Him.
> > >
> > > Three men came to him at Mamre, and he saw one of them was the LORD,
the
> > > other two were the two angels sent in the next Chapter to destroy
Sodom.
> > The
> > > thrird was the LORD who stayed back to speak to Abraham and hear his
> > > intercession for Sodom. This was the preincarnate Christ, God
appearing
> as
> > a
> > > man, although not yet, in our historical terms, born as a baby.
> > >
> > > So he certainly knew Christ. As did Adam, when God walked in the
garden
> > and
> > > asked him where he was. The first Adam and the Second, meeting face to
> > face.
> > >
> > > The first made in the image of the Second, He might even have looked
> like
> > > his twin brother.
> > >
> > > The first with a wound print in his side, where a rib was taken to
make
> > his
> > > bride.
> > >
> > > The Second with a wound print in His side, from which blood and water
> > flowed
> > > to
> > > forgive and wash the Church and make her His Bride.
> > >
> > > Men of Islam, look and see what Christ has ordained even from before
the
> > > foundation of the world.
> > >
> > > Uncle Davey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Oye .... I want to take this back to my Muslim friend, but
> > it's beginning to really kick in what my mommy always
> > taught me: "Never argue about religion and politics
> > with friends." .. . heh ...
> >
> > la n.
> >
> >
>
> If you don't, how do you know they're your friends?
Well my Catholic priest friend asks me if we can be
friends without always arguing about religion, and I
don't want to wear down my Muslim friend with
questions, but I might just pose this one to him.
Although spanish is his first language, and that's
a lot of (english) script up there.
>
> Uncle Davey
>
>
la n.
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