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> Uncle Davey wrote:
> > news:F7cCb.2396$Co1.644@twister.socal.rr.com...
> >> 1MAN4ALL wrote:
> >>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> >>> news:<qhSBb.396
> >>>
> >>>> Explain what you wish. Ignore what you wish. The entire page is
> >>>> important.
> >>>
> >>> As you wish. I'll explain the first five.
> >>
> >> I appreciate your responses. I have some comments and responses to
> >> yours. They are written below.
> >>
> >>> Under your heading:
> >>>> THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS
> >>>
> >>>> Chapter 2: The Cow 2.135: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you
> >>>> will be on > the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion
> >>>> of Ibrahim, the Hanif,
> >>>> and he was not one of the polytheists.
> >>>
> >>> This verse refers to the fact that Abraham was neither a "Jew" nor a
> >>> "Christian" and yet he was the most upright man in the eyes of God.
> >>> In other words, one does not have to belong to a race of "Chosen
> >>> People" or merely believe in Jesus to become "saved."
> >>
> >> Jesus Christ didn't come until hundreds of years after Abraham.
> >> Therefore, people don't call Abraham a Christian. However, he is
> >> known as "Father Abraham" because he was the father to the Jewish
> >> nation.
> >>
> >> Now, the second sentence you wrote may be a Muslim belief. However,
> >> if you want to convince a Christian that what you say is true, it
> >> would be more credible to cite more than Cow 2.135. If all you cite
> >> is this passage, then all we have is non-biblical literature saying
> >> Christians are wrong. This isn't surprising or very credible; in
> >> itself.
> >>
> >>> It is Muslims, like
> >>> Prophet Abraham, who believe in one God, without associating
> >>> partners in His divinity, and must follow the right path which God
> >>> has shown through His prophets (Abraham Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus
> >>> and Prophet Muhammad.) See also the next verse, 2:136.
> >>
> >> Abraham knew Yahweh. He knew Elohim. He knew the Holy Spirit.
> >> Therefore, the Godhead was surely known to Him.
> >
> > Three men came to him at Mamre, and he saw one of them was the LORD,
> > the other two were the two angels sent in the next Chapter to destroy
> > Sodom. The thrird was the LORD who stayed back to speak to Abraham
> > and hear his intercession for Sodom. This was the preincarnate
> > Christ, God appearing as a man, although not yet, in our historical
> > terms, born as a baby.
> >
> > So he certainly knew Christ. As did Adam, when God walked in the
> > garden and asked him where he was. The first Adam and the Second,
> > meeting face to face.
> >
> > The first made in the image of the Second, He might even have looked
> > like his twin brother.
> >
> > The first with a wound print in his side, where a rib was taken to
> > make his bride.
> >
> > The Second with a wound print in His side, from which blood and water
> > flowed to
> > forgive and wash the Church and make her His Bride.
> >
> > Men of Islam, look and see what Christ has ordained even from before
> > the foundation of the world.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> Excellent points.
>
> JG
>
Thank you.
Uncle Davey, BTW, you should have had a coupon, did you get it?
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