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> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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> > > 1MAN4ALL wrote:
> > > > "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:<qhSBb.396
> > > >
> > > >> Explain what you wish. Ignore what you wish. The entire page is
> > > >> important.
> > > >
> > > > As you wish. I'll explain the first five.
> > >
> > > I appreciate your responses. I have some comments and responses to
> yours.
> > > They are written below.
> > >
> > > > Under your heading:
> > > >> THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS
> > > >
> > > >> Chapter 2: The Cow 2.135: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you
> > > >> will be on > the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion
of
> > > >> Ibrahim, the Hanif,
> > > >> and he was not one of the polytheists.
> > > >
> > > > This verse refers to the fact that Abraham was neither a "Jew" nor a
> > > > "Christian" and yet he was the most upright man in the eyes of God.
In
> > > > other words, one does not have to belong to a race of "Chosen
People"
> > > > or merely believe in Jesus to become "saved."
> > >
> > > Jesus Christ didn't come until hundreds of years after Abraham.
> > Therefore,
> > > people don't call Abraham a Christian. However, he is known as
"Father
> > > Abraham" because he was the father to the Jewish nation.
> > >
> > > Now, the second sentence you wrote may be a Muslim belief. However,
if
> > you
> > > want to convince a Christian that what you say is true, it would be
more
> > > credible to cite more than Cow 2.135. If all you cite is this
passage,
> > then
> > > all we have is non-biblical literature saying Christians are wrong.
> This
> > > isn't surprising or very credible; in itself.
> > >
> > > > It is Muslims, like
> > > > Prophet Abraham, who believe in one God, without associating
partners
> > > > in His divinity, and must follow the right path which God has shown
> > > > through His prophets (Abraham Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and Prophet
> > > > Muhammad.) See also the next verse, 2:136.
> > >
> > > Abraham knew Yahweh. He knew Elohim. He knew the Holy Spirit.
> > Therefore,
> > > the Godhead was surely known to Him.
> >
> > Three men came to him at Mamre, and he saw one of them was the LORD, the
> > other two were the two angels sent in the next Chapter to destroy Sodom.
> The
> > thrird was the LORD who stayed back to speak to Abraham and hear his
> > intercession for Sodom. This was the preincarnate Christ, God appearing
as
> a
> > man, although not yet, in our historical terms, born as a baby.
> >
> > So he certainly knew Christ. As did Adam, when God walked in the garden
> and
> > asked him where he was. The first Adam and the Second, meeting face to
> face.
> >
> > The first made in the image of the Second, He might even have looked
like
> > his twin brother.
> >
> > The first with a wound print in his side, where a rib was taken to make
> his
> > bride.
> >
> > The Second with a wound print in His side, from which blood and water
> flowed
> > to
> > forgive and wash the Church and make her His Bride.
> >
> > Men of Islam, look and see what Christ has ordained even from before the
> > foundation of the world.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
> >
> >
> >
>
> Oye .... I want to take this back to my Muslim friend, but
> it's beginning to really kick in what my mommy always
> taught me: "Never argue about religion and politics
> with friends." .. . heh ...
>
> la n.
>
>
If you don't, how do you know they're your friends?
Uncle Davey
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