"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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> news:F7cCb.2396$Co1.644@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > 1MAN4ALL wrote:
> > > "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message news:<qhSBb.396
> > >
> > >> Explain what you wish. Ignore what you wish. The entire page is
> > >> important.
> > >
> > > As you wish. I'll explain the first five.
> >
> > I appreciate your responses. I have some comments and responses to
yours.
> > They are written below.
> >
> > > Under your heading:
> > >> THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS
> > >
> > >> Chapter 2: The Cow 2.135: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you
> > >> will be on > the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of
> > >> Ibrahim, the Hanif,
> > >> and he was not one of the polytheists.
> > >
> > > This verse refers to the fact that Abraham was neither a "Jew" nor a
> > > "Christian" and yet he was the most upright man in the eyes of God. In
> > > other words, one does not have to belong to a race of "Chosen People"
> > > or merely believe in Jesus to become "saved."
> >
> > Jesus Christ didn't come until hundreds of years after Abraham.
> Therefore,
> > people don't call Abraham a Christian. However, he is known as "Father
> > Abraham" because he was the father to the Jewish nation.
> >
> > Now, the second sentence you wrote may be a Muslim belief. However, if
> you
> > want to convince a Christian that what you say is true, it would be more
> > credible to cite more than Cow 2.135. If all you cite is this passage,
> then
> > all we have is non-biblical literature saying Christians are wrong.
This
> > isn't surprising or very credible; in itself.
> >
> > > It is Muslims, like
> > > Prophet Abraham, who believe in one God, without associating partners
> > > in His divinity, and must follow the right path which God has shown
> > > through His prophets (Abraham Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and Prophet
> > > Muhammad.) See also the next verse, 2:136.
> >
> > Abraham knew Yahweh. He knew Elohim. He knew the Holy Spirit.
> Therefore,
> > the Godhead was surely known to Him.
>
> Three men came to him at Mamre, and he saw one of them was the LORD, the
> other two were the two angels sent in the next Chapter to destroy Sodom.
The
> thrird was the LORD who stayed back to speak to Abraham and hear his
> intercession for Sodom. This was the preincarnate Christ, God appearing as
a
> man, although not yet, in our historical terms, born as a baby.
>
> So he certainly knew Christ. As did Adam, when God walked in the garden
and
> asked him where he was. The first Adam and the Second, meeting face to
face.
>
> The first made in the image of the Second, He might even have looked like
> his twin brother.
>
> The first with a wound print in his side, where a rib was taken to make
his
> bride.
>
> The Second with a wound print in His side, from which blood and water
flowed
> to
> forgive and wash the Church and make her His Bride.
>
> Men of Islam, look and see what Christ has ordained even from before the
> foundation of the world.
>
> Uncle Davey
>
>
>
Oye .... I want to take this back to my Muslim friend, but
it's beginning to really kick in what my mommy always
taught me: "Never argue about religion and politics
with friends." .. . heh ...
la n.
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