Uncle Davey wrote:
> news:F7cCb.2396$Co1.644@twister.socal.rr.com...
>> 1MAN4ALL wrote:
>>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message
>>> news:<qhSBb.396
>>>
>>>> Explain what you wish. Ignore what you wish. The entire page is
>>>> important.
>>>
>>> As you wish. I'll explain the first five.
>>
>> I appreciate your responses. I have some comments and responses to
>> yours. They are written below.
>>
>>> Under your heading:
>>>> THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS
>>>
>>>> Chapter 2: The Cow 2.135: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you
>>>> will be on > the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion
>>>> of Ibrahim, the Hanif,
>>>> and he was not one of the polytheists.
>>>
>>> This verse refers to the fact that Abraham was neither a "Jew" nor a
>>> "Christian" and yet he was the most upright man in the eyes of God.
>>> In other words, one does not have to belong to a race of "Chosen
>>> People" or merely believe in Jesus to become "saved."
>>
>> Jesus Christ didn't come until hundreds of years after Abraham.
>> Therefore, people don't call Abraham a Christian. However, he is
>> known as "Father Abraham" because he was the father to the Jewish
>> nation.
>>
>> Now, the second sentence you wrote may be a Muslim belief. However,
>> if you want to convince a Christian that what you say is true, it
>> would be more credible to cite more than Cow 2.135. If all you cite
>> is this passage, then all we have is non-biblical literature saying
>> Christians are wrong. This isn't surprising or very credible; in
>> itself.
>>
>>> It is Muslims, like
>>> Prophet Abraham, who believe in one God, without associating
>>> partners in His divinity, and must follow the right path which God
>>> has shown through His prophets (Abraham Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus
>>> and Prophet Muhammad.) See also the next verse, 2:136.
>>
>> Abraham knew Yahweh. He knew Elohim. He knew the Holy Spirit.
>> Therefore, the Godhead was surely known to Him.
>
> Three men came to him at Mamre, and he saw one of them was the LORD,
> the other two were the two angels sent in the next Chapter to destroy
> Sodom. The thrird was the LORD who stayed back to speak to Abraham
> and hear his intercession for Sodom. This was the preincarnate
> Christ, God appearing as a man, although not yet, in our historical
> terms, born as a baby.
>
> So he certainly knew Christ. As did Adam, when God walked in the
> garden and asked him where he was. The first Adam and the Second,
> meeting face to face.
>
> The first made in the image of the Second, He might even have looked
> like his twin brother.
>
> The first with a wound print in his side, where a rib was taken to
> make his bride.
>
> The Second with a wound print in His side, from which blood and water
> flowed to
> forgive and wash the Church and make her His Bride.
>
> Men of Islam, look and see what Christ has ordained even from before
> the foundation of the world.
>
> Uncle Davey
Excellent points.
JG
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