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From: "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
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Subject: Re: The Koran: Worthy of Belief?
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:31:03 +0100
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> 1MAN4ALL wrote:
> > "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <news@jcsm.org> wrote in message news:<qhSBb.396
> >
> >> Explain what you wish. Ignore what you wish. The entire page is
> >> important.
> >
> > As you wish. I'll explain the first five.
>
> I appreciate your responses. I have some comments and responses to yours.
> They are written below.
>
> > Under your heading:
> >> THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS
> >
> >> Chapter 2: The Cow 2.135: And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you
> >> will be on > the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of
> >> Ibrahim, the Hanif,
> >> and he was not one of the polytheists.
> >
> > This verse refers to the fact that Abraham was neither a "Jew" nor a
> > "Christian" and yet he was the most upright man in the eyes of God. In
> > other words, one does not have to belong to a race of "Chosen People"
> > or merely believe in Jesus to become "saved."
>
> Jesus Christ didn't come until hundreds of years after Abraham.
Therefore,
> people don't call Abraham a Christian. However, he is known as "Father
> Abraham" because he was the father to the Jewish nation.
>
> Now, the second sentence you wrote may be a Muslim belief. However, if
you
> want to convince a Christian that what you say is true, it would be more
> credible to cite more than Cow 2.135. If all you cite is this passage,
then
> all we have is non-biblical literature saying Christians are wrong. This
> isn't surprising or very credible; in itself.
>
> > It is Muslims, like
> > Prophet Abraham, who believe in one God, without associating partners
> > in His divinity, and must follow the right path which God has shown
> > through His prophets (Abraham Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and Prophet
> > Muhammad.) See also the next verse, 2:136.
>
> Abraham knew Yahweh. He knew Elohim. He knew the Holy Spirit.
Therefore,
> the Godhead was surely known to Him.
Three men came to him at Mamre, and he saw one of them was the LORD, the
other two were the two angels sent in the next Chapter to destroy Sodom. The
thrird was the LORD who stayed back to speak to Abraham and hear his
intercession for Sodom. This was the preincarnate Christ, God appearing as a
man, although not yet, in our historical terms, born as a baby.
So he certainly knew Christ. As did Adam, when God walked in the garden and
asked him where he was. The first Adam and the Second, meeting face to face.
The first made in the image of the Second, He might even have looked like
his twin brother.
The first with a wound print in his side, where a rib was taken to make his
bride.
The Second with a wound print in His side, from which blood and water flowed
to
forgive and wash the Church and make her His Bride.
Men of Islam, look and see what Christ has ordained even from before the
foundation of the world.
Uncle Davey
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