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Subject: Re: I am being viciously FLAMED in a Scurrilous attack by Y-NOT.
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In article <uintf25vglhfii51fjsovkkmi9d38imvk7@4ax.com>,
johnny_fairview <johnny_lightvision@hushmail.com> wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2006 06:04:03 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <%+15$-Y-Not@here-and.there>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <k7gqf2p41l4vm5qoq2v1nd39as2fibslnm@4ax.com>, Mephistopheles
> ><no-fixed@address.net> wrote:
> >
> >Here is what I have written to another, some hours ago:
> >
> >Oh I DO plan to reply to his post. Again, not to attack, but to show
> >him how really funny he is.
> >I saw his post many hours ago, but I wanted to stop laughing before I
> >typed the reply.
> >"Methinks he doth protest too much", and without substance. :-)
> >People can SEE what he does. No amount of fancy overloaded words will
> >distract from that, no matter how much he strains himself in trying.
> >
> >> To Y-Not:-
> >>
> >> For several months now, this group which had lain dormant, has seen a
> >> wonderful coming together of various posters. Every exchange in this
> >> group has been of the friendliest, both in giving & receiving. This
> >> was an outstandingly happy, harmonious group. Until you came trampling
> >> in to launch yet another poisonous but quite laughable assault on me.
> >
> >Actually, no, you are wrong. It was Romeo who broke the peace here. I
> >even agreed with you about that in my post you label with such harsh
> >words.
> >Here you go again accusing him of being me. When you will ever stop
> >that?
> >
> >I didn't attack you. But if that's what you want?
> >Well, since you say I did, then I couldn't do any worse by actually
> >doing it for real, right? If you think my nice words to you were an
> >attack, how could your sensibilities survive a REAL attack? You aint
> >seen nuttin yet! :-)
> >Do you remember what I did to my attackers after Homeanon was finally
> >arrested, when I was free at last to let loose? I wasn't hardly trying
> >my best then. ;-)
> >But alas, not this time. Romeo asked me not to, so it is to HIM you owe
> >thanks for my gracious forbearance.
> >
> >> In my comments in the "Back to Basics" thread above, I had shared your
> >> disappointment & had not uttered a single unfavorable word against
> >> you.........Yet you fell on me with your customary ill-tempered fury.
> >> What is it, that is festering away so insidiously inside you? Why does
> >> my nic so turn your head?
> >
> >Because I have a neck? :-)
> >
> >You are speaking apples and oranges. Your original post didn't mention
> >the activities of Romeo, that you helped to motivate, which I then
> >addressed in my reply to you.
> >
> >Whenever you attempt to describe my negative feelings and motivations,
> >that I don't have, you are actually, and quite accurately, describing
> >your own. I don't have them, but you sure do, and it's awfully amusing
> >to see you do this, and my other attackers as well, and none of you
> >ever realize you are doing it.
> >You people always seem to forget this is a job for me. I take nothing
> >personally here. Those who post at the prompting of their egos, such as
> >all of you do with most of your posts, and yourself especially, do take
> >most everything personally, even what isn't.
> >That you choose to project your childish feelings onto ME, of all
> >people, is quite silly, actually. I'm a shrink, remember?
> >So ah, stop that. :-)
> >
> >> To the general reader
> >>
> >> I shall not lower myself to reprint YN's incredible assault on me,
> >> which includes some 15 unsubstantiated Slanders, not one of which
> >> would stand up in an English Court!
> >
> >Actually, you lower yourself by not quoting my post, because all can
> >see that it is a transparent attempt to avoid trying to refute what you
> >cannot.
> >I didn't assault anyone, accept maybe Romeo, a little. I but told you
> >the truth you dislike. If that is an assault to you, then rail at
> >reality.
> >You need to view anything you dislike that is communicated to you, as
> >an attack, when it is not. I have told you before why your perceptions
> >are warped that way. Do you need me to tell you again? Do you need to
> >be my patient again? And in public? Or will you stop this?
> >
> >> My alleged treatment of Romeo seems to be what sticks in his craw the
> >> most.. And he builds on that lie to diss everything I stand for in
> >> every single group, & all the people "who have left", he lays not at
> >> his door, but at mine!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Sorry, it's not a lie, as anyone who can read the posts will see.
> >
> >> So, as my latest crime seems to be involved with Romeo, let's look at
> >> "The Romeo lie".
> >>
> >> Some weeks ago in Chris I noticed several posters making reference to
> >> a certain Romeo, but no Romeo post appeared anywhere on my screen.
> >> So I started a thread asking:- "Is Easynews being Picky again?"
> >>
> >> ****** 1.- Here is that post :-
> >>
> >> " I see, from the 15 plus JAMMer thread, references made to TWO posts
> >> by some wannabee "Romeo".........?
> >>
> >> "There is no record of any post by Romeo on my server."
> >>
> >> ****** 2.-
> >>
> >> 17 minutes later, before any replies came through, I wrote:-
> >>
> >> "Well, bugger me. The plot thickens.
> >> "The missing posts downloaded using Outlook Express.
> >>
> >> "So it ain't EN, but something Agent doesn't like about Shakespeare
> >> characters.
> >>
> >> "Any ideas, Q?"
> >>
> >> *****All pretty innocuous stuff, so far. After all, I HAD NOT seen a
> >> single Romeo post, & he could turn out to be my best buddie.
> >>
> >> ***** 3,- Then, out of the blue, this from Romeo:-
> >>
> >> >So you are some illustrious person, are you Mephistopheles?.
> >> >Then i'll get a lot of enemies if i say fuck you!, or better fuck you
> >> >bastard!"
> >>
> >> ***** 4.- So I, for the FIRST & ONLY exchange I had with him, on
> >> being called "a fucking bastard", simply toyed whimsically with his
> >> OWN addy, giving its dictionary definition, as follows:-
> >>
> >> "cenobite", vid. "coenobite"
> >>
> >> "From "coenobium":- a colony of unicellular organisms".
> >> "I didn't know which bit to laugh at most; "colony" or "unicellular"
> >>
> >> "It would appear then that the question of your identity has
> >> satisfactorily resolved itself, without any speculation on my part.
> >> After all, I am not given to that sort of thing. LOL."
> >>
> >> END OF ALL CORRESPONDENCE with Romeo. Yep, folks, that was it. No foul
> >> language in my reply.
> >>
> >> After that, the incident dismissed from my mind, I posted some music
> >> for gollum
> >
> >I doubt the dismissal part.
> >All our readers know you do this edited quoting, just to try to
> >convince readers to not believe what they can see for themselves in the
> >original posts. You count on their laziness to help you deceive them.
> >
> >I don't do this. It is deceitful manipulation. It is not honorable. I
> >don't tell people what to think, like you do. I want them to see and
> >think for themselves. Unlike you, I think they are quite able to see
> >the truth on their own, and don't need any help for that, beyond
> >advising them where to look.
> >Could it be that you don't want them to see the truth, but only your
> >inaccurate personal interpretations?
> >Well, why else would you do this?
> >
> >> Then, a note to Ghost on his Glo?be piccy
> >>
> >> And finally, to round off my brief visit to Chris, a merry little poem
> >> "Who killed cock robin?"
> >>
> >> I never instigated any exchanges with Romeo, He did that himsel, & I
> >> gave him but one reply, as above..
> >
> >The why of that is obvious. You failed to mention the comments you made
> >about him, outright, and with attempts at subtlety, to other posters,
> >specifically to goad him to try to prove he isn't me. That is a
> >security violation. You directly supported and agreed with the other
> >people who attacked Romeo.
> >This can be easily seen by our readers, in my discussion group, which
> >you despoiled with your divisive and inciting actions.
> >
> >> My interest in his direction currently is NIL.
> >
> >Good, if it can be believed. I hope the reverse is also true.
> >
> >>
> >> NOW BACK TO Y-NOT
> >>
> >> So, isn't it about time you started making apologies for a change, for
> >> this bloated screed of invective against me?
> >>
> >> Again, I am only confronting you with plain facts, not abusing your
> >> person.
> >
> >Lies and attempted manipulative deception, are not abuse? Then don't.
> >
> >> This will be my only post to you on this matter in Smeagol. For this
> >> is not the place for rubbishing people. Stick to Chris for all such
> >> vituperative attacks on all & sundry.....not that you'll find me there
> >> all that often.
> >
> >There is NO "place for rubbishing people"! I don't, but you do, and you
> >help others to do it. When you stop, that won't happen.
> >If you can't behave yourself, and stop personally attacking people, and
> >supporting those who do, with your snide dirty comments and innuendoes,
> >then don't post in MY group at all. I left this group alone for months,
> >but you obviously haven't cared to return the favor. I don't cause
> >disruptions, but YOU sure do, and then you claim false innocence when
> >you have to suffer the results!
> >Actually, I hardly ever post where there are no disruptions, which is
> >why I didn't post here until there was one, to correct it. Which I
> >have, successfully.
> >I will continue to try to help you see the damage you do, when you do
> >it (even to your friends), in the hope that you will become a more
> >responsible member of this society. So if you don't want that from me,
> >DON'T do destructive things.
> >
> >> Mephi
> >>
> >
> >It is inadvisable to accuse someone of lying, with lies of your own,
> >especially when people can see the reality of things, in posts that are
> >still on most servers. I advise you not to do that, especially to
> >someone, such as myself, who, unlike yourself, is known to be fair and
> >truthful, which you have actually counted on from me when you thought
> >it was to your advantage.
> >
> >There is another thing. Instead if replying directly to me, or taking
> >it to my discussion group (which Romeo nicely did for you), you posted
> >a highly emotional title to the group here, in what amounts to an
> >intentionally divisive rabble rousing attempt to acquire the support of
> >your gang, to wage your war on me for you, just as you tried to do with
> >your support for Morpheus' denial of identity attacks on Romeo. Do you
> >think your manipulative tactics don't go unrecognized?
> >A sort of a warning, here. When you engage in rabble-rousing, whose who
> >flock to your banner, will be rabble, and by this they will be known.
> >Why would you do such a thing to your friends? Please don't do that
> >again.
> >
> >I hold you to a higher standard than I do the others who oppose me,
> >because you are more intelligent and have a better real education they
> >they do. It's a shame that you choose to use all that for willful
> >negativity. Please try to do better. Please don't attack people, or
> >support others in doing it, and please try to hold your poison pen in
> >check. PLEASE treat ALL others as you would have them treat you. When
> >you do, there will be the utmost peace between us.
> >
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >
> >Y Not
> >
> >
> > "Cogito ergo sumthing to think about being."
> I think Mephi is wrong to claim this was a "flame" by Y-Not. Rather, it
> was a troll post and a classic troll at that. Anyone following these
> groups for the past few years would expect the anguished response from
> Mephi concerning Y-Not's allegations and if outsiders could expect it,
> there is little doubt as to the true purpose of Y-Not's post which
> suggested Mephi may have had something to do with the picture posts. Mr.
> Not goes on at great length about the "things" done to "his" groups and
> he seems to revel in the fact that a possible major upset has now
> occurred in this quiet backwater.
I find it SO interesting that some people have a need to apply their
own emotions to what I write and do, and desperately try to convince
others of their inventions.
I don't "revel" in anything, not since my fiance died 30 years ago.
There is always doubt in one's interpretations of what someone writes
to another. You should keep that in mind, as many others do, while you
try to convince them otherwise. :-)
I did not suggest that Meph posted any pictures. I just listed some
easy to discern possibilities. But of course, you would like to read
that otherwise, to fan the flames you would like to see.
By the way, Meph isn't anguished in the least. It is HE who is reveling
in the discord he loves to create. (He has said that he has
deliberately done things to draw my opposition, and even bragged about
it.) Why else address the group this way, with such semantically
charged invective, but to acquire the support of those who want
discord, in order to divide the society, for his manipulative power
game?
I do the opposite. I ask people to NOT support me, and to leave the
groups if they can't control themselves in that regard. So you see, if
you would live up to your name, that it is not I who want discord here,
and only seek to help people who DO it, to stop.
> Which leads on to another point, and one so obvious that I am surprised
> that a psychologist of his standing should overlook it in his summary of
> who actually posted the trouble making pics. There is a fifth possible
> explanation which Mr. Not conveniently fails to notice: He himself
> posted the pics. He posted them using the same program as Mephi uses in
> order to create suspicion. (And just in case others did not notice that
> fact, he made sure the program was brought to everyone's attention in
> his masterly summing up.) He would have posted the pics in the certain
> knowledge that Mephi would respond by expressing grief at the intrusion
> into a.f.smeagol, and Mr. Not could then turn on the upset Mephi to
> lambast him with "now you know how it feels". He is as tricky as Dicky.
I don't do wild and unfounded accusations, such as you are doing here.
I described likely possibilities that are based on the available real
information.
If we use YOUR paranoid parameters, then ALL other posters are equally
accused, because you have not one real fact to support what you say.
What's more, I use a Mac, and ALWAYS post with Thoth, not some less
useful PC program that doesn't run on Macs.
Who knows? The poster might have wanted you to accuse me of doing it,
and you could be playing right into his hands. Hey wait, maybe YOU did
it. Well, why not, you do show the motivation for it. You see, wild
subjective accusations are not owned by any one person or "side", once
unleashed. You should have been intelligent enough to realize that, and
that it is very destructive to a society. But then, maybe that's what
you wanted all along.
By the way, Meph HAS posted with other nics in these groups, and said
so. In fact, he posted to oppose a Troll, with a different nic, not to
long ago. He knows I can tell who he is when he does that, because I
have before. That was a good post, by the way.
Also, he has lied and deliberately misquoted people. This is not an
unfounded accusation, because such things were in his posts, and I
called him on that when he did it.
I have never done those dishonorable things, and what's more, I have
never posted solely to cause discord. I post to educate, counsel, help
protect people from each other, and provide technical assistance. I do
this more than any other poster. For all this, you call me a Troll. Not
a very supportive person, are you...
I have never lied in any of my posts, and despite some very fanatical
attempts by my antagonists, they have never proved that I have. So, I
will state that I have never used a PC to post anything in ANY
newsgroup, EVER. Nor have I use any other program but Thoth to post
with, since I started using it years ago. I have NEVER crossposted any
files. I did not post nasty lies and pictures about me and others. Even
if I had wanted to, why should I bother, when others do it whenever
ant-Not activity isn't as strong as they want it to be?
> Now that Mr. Not has decided to crank up the troll a notch or two I hope
> Mephi will stick to his guns, get back to posting some more
> food-for-the-soul music and ignore the bait being dangled before him.
You are somewhat confused here. If he sticks to his guns, he will be
attacking, which can't actually be done with music posts in this group
he has taken over. :-)
And I don't fit the definition of a Troll. I actually HELP people. A
lot. They don't. :-)
Oh, and do you? Or do you just complain? Hmm, Trolls do that...
False negative accusations have a way of bouncing back on the sender,
so you should avoid doing that. :-)
> johnny
> (change lightvision to fairview)
The obvious TRUE purpose of my post was to show Meph that his attacks
on people, and his support of the attacks by others, is a bad thing. He
invaded MY group and did that, and accused another poster of being me.
HE attacked that poster and ME. I did nothing to cause him to do that.
Here I showed him that the obvious consequences DO follow, and that he
should not deny what he does, and the responsibility of causing those
he attacks with his poison pen, to fight back.
Actually, he has done much more to harm the security of his FRIENDS, in
his unthinking arrogant flippancy. He knows what I mean here, and also
knows that I can't discuss that without harming their security all the
more. Will he be honest enough to verify that?
My purpose here, for this situation, is to help with the safety of ALL.
That means that I should try to convince the people who are violating
the personal security of others, either intentionally or by accident,
to stop that. Meph does both of that, but his ego refuses to let him
see that he can do what he knows is wrong, so he will KEEP on
endangering other posters, and you uncaring self centered warmongers
are supporting and enabling his self-imposed blindness.
Posters here would very much like to forget all this security stuff.
It's unpleasant even to think about, and it interferes with one's
enjoyment of what one wants to think is a private little oasis of
BLdom. Well, it isn't. We are being very closely watched by people, LEA
and vigilantes. who want everyone here DEAD! And they aren't just
watching. I am trying to keep you all as safe as possible, whether or
not that makes your visits here less pleasant than you would like it to
be. I care about you all, whether you want me to or not. I will not let
dangerous behavior be ignored and uncorrected, no matter if the
manipulating perpetrator screams bloody murder at being exposed. He has
been warned, time and again. It's all old news.
My antagonists, Meph included, immediately jump on anyone, especially
those who look like new posters, who doesn't like their bullying and
appears to be defending me, with accusations that they are ME (this is
a security violation, as it is done to motivate their victims to
provide personal information to prove who they are, which HAS
happened). Meph has defended this hostile dishonorable tactic as just.
So, you look like a new poster to me. Why hasn't Meph accused you of
being, hmm, ah well, HIM? The usual double standards?
Another thing. I could be wrong, but didn't Meph say that he wasn't
going to post any more on this issue? I think I see another post from
him in this very thread. My word! Ah, actually, his, that sort of
wasn't, was it?
The goings on here were reported to me some time ago, with who did
what. Later, I decided to read and post to the only "new" poster in the
thread, and haven't read any of the other posts, and won't until
tomorrow, if I think I should. From what I was told about this, my
prediction about the rabble was accurate. ;-)
By the way, you DO realize that this is what he intended, right? So you
like being so manipulated?
Some would say that my post is bad just because it is too long for
their reading comfort, and too difficult to understand. To them I would
suggest that they seek out what (presumably) adult remedial reading
classes might be available in their area. Just being ever helpful! :-)
I have been attacked in these groups by a minority of antagonistic BLs,
and Trolls, and other odd people, for years in these groups. I've had a
lot of practice in defending myself and what I do. I actually know what
I'm doing. My motives are clear, and outlined in my mission statement,
to which I always adhere, no matter how ah, sticky things may get. I am
here to support this society and the people in it, those who post, and
the unseen visitors, to help them to understand themselves in order
that they can usefully choose not to harm children. In this, I do what
I think is best, not what YOU think is best. Part of that is to ensure
their security as much as possible (If they aren't here, how can I
reach them?). I do more for this society, and it's individual people,
than you will (hopefully) ever know. Those who are aware of this, see
people like you as being very destructive in your opposition to me and
my work, and wonder if some of you work for LEA or some such anti BL
faction.
If I have expressed anything here that you didn't like, and might
possibly have caused you to make yourself angry, well, what did you
expect would happen when you posted in opposition to me? So, you must
have need me to do this, and the caring person that I am, I obliged
you.
No, I'm not being facetious. It's just the truth. I really am like
this. I will give you what you need of me, that I think you need, if I
can, if it doesn't harm anyone or this society.
Whether you want me to or not, actually. :-)
Compare my posts to those of my antagonists. Who expresses unprovable
accusations? Not me. Who uses semantically charged words such as
"viciously FLAMED" and "Scurrilous attack", to play on the emotions of
readers, and who doesn't? I don't. Who tries to convince people of
something that is different from what the readers can see for
themselves? Oh definitely not me! Who uses cold logic and calm words
(me), and who uses violent rhetoric that is meant to enflame people?
Ah, not me, with the exception of my once in a while security
motivation rant, an example of which is below. If you are actually
fair, you will see the truth of all this, and from that you will cease
being subject to the manipulations of people such as Meph. You will
realize that it is not I who seeks to inflame people and cause discord,
but to help it stop when others do it. What do YOU want? More
"fighting" or less? What will you do about it? Remember, any of you can
choose to stop. I can't; it's a job I am committed to do. By what you
do now and in the future, our readers will know how much you value this
society and ALL who are in it, not just those whom you choose to favor.
CAN you be fair? Show that to all who are watching us.
Y Not
PS.
I don't want to be doing any of this. If there were anyone else who
would provide all the security help I do, that is NECESSARY, I would
leave in a second and never look back, no matter the protests of those
who want me to stay. I have said this a great many times, but still
there aren't more security help posts often enough and by enough
people. NOTHING HAS CHANGED in this regard since KidHacker stopped
posting in the groups every day (he has a real life now). So this means
that you people are lazy care-less selfish boobs who don't think about
anyone but yourselves and don't even consider helping your fellow BLs.
Yes, I grant that some of you do try to help SOMETIMES, but most of
that is so incompetent as to be actually harmful. I'm not trying to
insult people with this, I'm trying to motivate you to actually DO
something to HELP this society, instead of tear it down. When that
happens, I can leave. Well, don't you WANT me to go? So get up off your
lazy arses and HELP people. If you don't know how, LEARN. If nothing
else, you can repost my, and others', security posts.
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