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Subject: Re: Back to basics 2 files - yEnc "romeo says.JPG" (1/1)
Date: 4 Sep 2006 19:37:05 -0500
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In article <3j6pf2t40simtajem9b3cjgi6dlg1itdrt@4ax.com>, Mephistopheles
<no-fixed@address.net> wrote:
> On 4 Sep 2006 14:56:08 -0500, "::Y-Not::" <%+15$-Y-Not@here-and.there>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <bZTKg.349193$zw6.141103@fe02.news.easynews.com>, Yenc-Post
> >2002 <Yenc-Poster@yenc-post.org> wrote:
> >
> >> =ybegin part=1 line=128 size=25632 name=romeo says.JPG
> >
> >[crossposting removed]
> >
> >A warning:
> >This Troll poster has crossposted to this group, exposing this mostly
> >untroubled group to the other Trolls.
> >While it happens to all newsgroups sooner or later, it does cause one
> >to wonder why THIS group, now.
> >Also to wonder about, is will this be opposed, and by whom.
> >
> >As to who it is, if the poster has a different nic, which is likely, I
> >suppose we would have to look for other posters who use the same
> >software and server.
> >
> >
> >Y Not
>
> Oh,dear. Another quiet & friendly haven blown to bits!
I'm annoyed about it too. I dislike ANY disruptions in this society,
and you guys having a quite group all for yourselves, I view as GOOD
thing, to help occupy you and keep you somewhat out of trouble.
But then, how many of MY groups have you done the same with, and worse?
Not that I expect you to stop that just because you now know how it
feels. After all, Morpheus, who you supported in the attack on Romeo,
has been accused of being me in the past, and that hasn't stopped him
from doing that to others.
When you learn to live by the Golden Rule, you will have much less of
these situations.
I don't cause these situations, YOU do. You shouldn't be surprised that
some people are enough like you that they are motivated to give back to
you the negative things you give to them.
> I don't know who you have in mind, but I simply do not believe that
> any of the handful of posters who have been regularly using this group
> would set out to destroy the untrammelled peace we have all enjoyed
> here, free even from the fat bitch postings.. Who of the heavy posters
> here would deliberately soil his own nest?
I don't know who, and I don't know who is "heavy" or not, and some of
my antagonists have been known to soil all they can touch with their
foul hate. How can they be expected to respect their own nest, then
they respect no other?
However, to me it is obvious that it is a BL who knows about this
group, and who dislikes me, of course. He also knows about the
discussion group.
There is one more thing. He uses the same software, and version of it,
as you do to post music. I don't recall seeing it before. This gives
rise to four possibilities. One, it is you. Two, it's a coincidence.
Three, it's someone you know and have communicated with about the
program, and four, he chose to use the software to cast suspicion on
you.
It doesn't really matter to me who is doing it. Done is done. So this
is only a discussion of the available information, not an accusation.
Anyway, I always suspect everyone.
I am [ferocious grin] an equal opportunity suspector.
Because I'm FAIR.
> One malcontent did breach the place some weeks back which led Ghost to
> remark something like "There goes the neighbourhood", but I can't
> remember the trolls nic, & any rate it didn't come to much.
Yes.
> However, I sadly see that Romeo has compounded our misfortune by
> similarly crossposting his responses!
Well, I don't see that he has done any more damage than was already
done with the Troll's crossposts, by the crossposting by itself, but I
do agree that his words are not helping the situation at all!
But then, what can one expect from someone in his situation, a
relatively new poster who is attacked as he has been, but some clumsy
and destructive counterattacK? Some brave people DO stand up to
bullies, you know.
I have asked him not to do this kind of thing. You have seen that.
This is what happens, when you post only for the present, with just
your own willful and antagonistic desires you think of, without
considering the future consequences of what you do. A case could be
made for you to be deserving of this, but I will leave such obvious
considerations to those who are wise enough to actually think of them.
> If there's any consequent follow-up here, I shall be out of the lace
> for sure.
You wear lace? Ah, gowns, too? :-)
> Mephi
I'm sorry this has happened, but you can't disregard the fact that it
was bound to happen someday, as it does to ALL groups, and that your
own hostile actions have contributed to this situation.
To Romeo:
Please do NOT initiate crossposts! Except in unusual and rare
circumstances where useful information should be posted to more than
one newsgroup, such was what TomBa just did in his reply to one of my
security posts, crossposting is considered to be a very bad thing, and
is only done in these groups by Trolls who are bent on destruction.
Replying to a crosspost and letting it go to the other groups, isn't as
bad, but starting your own crossposts, especially to attack, is VERY
bad, and will cause you to loose the respect of the regulars of these
groups.
PLEASE don't do this again!
Yes, you were attacked unfairly, by people who were acting
dishonorably. Defending yourself doesn't mean that you have to be WORSE
than they are!
Tell me. I defended you. Are you worth defending now? I would like to
think so. Please show me that you are. Please apologize to the groups
for crossposting, and limit your defense to disagreeing with your
attackers, without disrupting the groups.
Of course I must face the possibility that you will dislike me for
saying this. If so, then it will be. I MUST be fair to ALL.
It's a lonely job I have here. Please don't make it more difficult.
Back to Meph:
You expected me to do this. Are you happy now? Another feather on your
manipulation cap, no matter how many people and situations you harm?
You didn't HAVE to attack Romeo, and encourage the quacker to continue
with it. Since you maintain that you DO think of the consequences of
your actions before you do them, then I should assume that this is what
you WANTED to happen. Right? Or will you attempt to disagree with such
perfect logic?
I keep asking people not to attack you in return. If they can't stop
that, I try to get them to stop posting. Haven't you noticed the many
people who you have attacked who have left? Not because you made them
go, but because I did, to keep peace in the Fort! They listened to me,
because they are reasonable and caring people, while you are not. I
think maybe it might be time for me to stop cleaning up all your messes
and damaged friendships, and let you really learn from the true
consequences of your willful destructive actions!
As I've told you many times before, when you stop attacking people and
trying to harm their security, you, and this society, will have much
less trouble! When are you going to learn this? Or do you even care?
I asked Romeo to apologize. Will YOU apologize for attacking him and
denying his identity, directly motivating him to do this? That would be
FAIR. Do it. Surprise me!
Hmm, should I post this in the Fort?
Y Not
PS.
I could have asked Morpheus to apologize also, but his "mind" is closed
to reason, even though his ego isn't quite as large as is yours, so I
didn't bother with such a lost cause. YOU are able to better understand
what you do, and its effects. That is, if you feel like it.
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