In article <0001HW.C09F21CF00537C45F0284530@news.easynews.com>,
Morpheus <Morpheus@Deamland.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 00:13:01 -0700, Y-Not:: wrote
> (in article <280520060311085490%%+14$-Y-Not@here-and.there>):
>
> > In article <44787d34$0$74446$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
> > <justalerker@nothereorthere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> some people in other groups have made the mistake of feeding the trolls. I
> >> was just thinking that we should overfeed them till the chock on there own
> >> poison.( sounds crazy ).Keep them occupied so that the have no time to find
> >> and destroy other groups like this one!
> >>
> >> as you know a certain troll hate Dixie Chicks and any weird religions
> >> comments about Christian fundamentalism ( hates a lot of other thing too )
> >>
> >> a comment like .. the Dixie chicks were right about the war... other were
> >> wrong.... There for the Dixie chicks must be profits from god.
> >>
> >> A comment like that would be like trolling the trolls. I think using a lot
> >> of different nicks to reply would also be good.
> >> Many other things could be said ...but the main ideal is to troll the
> >> trolls
> >
> >
> > It's already been tried. Lookin, with a whole bunch of his other nics,
> > did that for a while, in two wars. They just laughed at him.
> > I do NOT recommend it be done. Don't BE like them!
> >
> > Some feed the Trolls, and some communicate with them usefully on rare
> > occasions, and some feel it's important to correct things the Trolls
> > sometimes do and say that could harm the newbies. This includes
> > exposing impersonations. This isn't feeding anyone, but protecting the
> > society.
> > Just because long time visitors to these groups can recognize the
> > Trolls for what they are and so not believe them, new visitors may NOT.
> > Please care about them too, especially the impressionable young people
> > who visit mostly in secret.
> > The Trolls, to us, are just a minor visual nuisance. To the
> > inexperienced, they can cause real harm. I care about everyone, not
> > just the knowledgeable. How about you?
> >
> > An added problem is that recognizing who are Trolls and who are not, is
> > unnecessarily complicated by some BLs who often act just like the
> > Trolls, and by some people who post against the Trolls in a way that
> > just echoes their stupidity and hostility. Best not to add to that.
> >
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> >
> > Y Not
> >
> >
> > "We can only love others,
> > to the extent with which we love ourselves."
>
> Generally, I agree with you. Perhaps if you were more explicit about how
> trolls can '..cause real harm...' to the 'inexperienced', it would be helpful
> for them (the inexperienced) to see why they should be avoided...
>
> Also liked the line "..the Dixie Chicks must be profits from God..." Right.
>
It's somewhat odd, but you seem to agree now, with what you have
disagreed with in the past when I said the same things. Has something
changed your mind?
I've already mentioned the things you ask about, in other posts.
Now I don't want to give them more power then they already have, but
these groups are visited by some very sensitive people, who are
sometimes very depressed and suicidal. I know of at least two of them
who have killed themselves because of the actions of the Trolls. How
many more times has this happened, that we will never know about?
You have seen them attack suspected young people without mercy. Well,
you have done the same. This is bound to affect them in a negative way.
BLs need the support and care of their fellows, which is why this
society exists. The Trolls try to ruin that, and so do some disturbed
BLs, by trying to destroy positive relationships by posting lies, and
also doing that in impersonations. How bad does it get, that the most
prolific and potentially destructive impersonator, is a BL?
Trolls post lies about people and security issues that could cause harm
if believed. They also try to motivate people to compromise their
security by defending who they are. This has happened, unfortunately.
Bad security advice can be disastrous.
The Trolls most attack the people who help others. Newbies NEED this
help, but who are they to believe, when they don't know the score? THAT
is the biggest problem. If more BLs actually provided good help to
those who needed it, it would be less of a problem. The more the Trolls
have to spread their attacks around, the more obvious they are, and
therefore the less effective.
It's worse when BLs do the attacking. Then newbies are caught in the
middle, in a hopeless mess. And it could land them in prison. Newbies
who post naked, need to be helped QUIETLY. When the person who helps
them is attacked, their security breach is practically shouted all
over. KH and I had an argument about helping someone early last year,
and resolved it when I pointed this out.
Sometimes Trolls, mostly unwittingly, bring up useful issues that BLs
SHOULD address, but either haven't thought of, or want to avoid, for
personal comfort reasons. Well, I think security is more important than
anything else. What kind of comfort will Bubba give them? In my
opinion, this justifies limited interactions with the Trolls in these
situations, so I do.
One last thing, People who care about this society, and the people who
are in it, will NOT ever kill filter a poster, or they won't be able to
see what the newbies see, and won't be as effective in helping them.
WHY can't people just choose not to read the posts they know they won't
like? They could always do it when the situation calls for it, but why
do they have to torture themselves by reading them all, and then resort
to kill filters to control their urges? In some cases, when they
announce it, it is because they are using that as a social weapon; "I
can't see you any more and that's supposed to hurt you, and that's why
I'm announcing it, or I would have just dome it without the fanfare".
Immature schoolyard tactic, that does NOT support the groups.
I have much more I could say about this, well, when haven't I, but I
don't have time right now. Too much responding to the lying attacks of
some people, is one of the causes. I can only do so much.
Y Not
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