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In article <e3n9s0hvsiv87j7k0k939ot77e9dh7kf9l@4ax.com>, Unforgiven
<u@u.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:02:50 GMT, rich <noyb@some.com> wrote:
>
> > You know who you are, you owe me and another gentleman an apology.
> >If you are clergy, and I don't believe that, clergy doesn't nor
> >wouldn't speak or act as you have. You are as sick as Adolf was.
> >Fortunately, you're not in the same authority position as he was.
> >I lived thro some of Adolf, saw the results of him and lost some
> >family to his war. The supreme sacrifice, made by many, so you
> >can spout off your BS, tear down the country & destroy all that
> >is good. Well, understand this: I will NEVER bow to the likes
> >of you...NEVER!!! God will be in my house, Christ in my Christmas,
> >and "In God We Trust" my motto. If you don't like the USA, get
> >the hell out..NOW! The sooner the better. BTW, I voted for
> >George W. Bush and am proud of it, Kerry is not my choice, now
> >or ever. You see, I'm not afraid to say what I stand up for.
> >I'd do it in public, in fact I already have, If you disagree,
> >ok, that's your business. It's your way of attacking others that
> >I find sick & disgusting..spreading lies. Remember, NEVER is a
> >long time, a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.
> >
> > Merry Christmas
>
> Hi Rich,
> Thank you for your wise words of wisdom here.
> I am in agreement that both you and AA are owed an apology, however I
> wouldn't hold my breath waiting on it if I were you.
> I also love Jesus and this great country of America.
> I believe if those who would take the side of the people who attacked
> us on 9/11 could spend a little while in Iraq then maybe they would
> learn to appreciate this great country instead of trying to run it
> down for the sake of causing some frivolous arguments in these groups.
> I just read an interesting article that I am going to paste in here
> concerning the banning of Christmas trees in a town in Florida and the
> decision to reverse the ban.
> ===============================================================
> Florida county reverses Christmas tree ban
> Saturday, December 18, 2004 Posted: 11:32 AM EST (1632 GMT)
>
>
> NEW PORT RICHEY, Florida (AP) -- Christmas tree decorations were being
> rehung at Pasco County buildings after the reversal of a county
> attorney's finding that the trees were unacceptable religious symbols.
>
> Trees had been removed from county buildings Wednesday after the
> initial decision, which allowed them only in "semiprivate" areas such
> as personal offices.
>
> That decision drew angry reactions from residents and the American
> Center for Law & Justice, a law firm founded by televangelist Pat
> Robertson.
>
> "People should respect the religious views of others; people should
> broaden their perspective, their intelligence, stop being so
> narrow-minded," said dry-cleaning clerk Marijane Graham. "What's next,
> banning Santa Claus?"
>
> In a revised decision Friday, the attorney said that a Christmas tree
> is a purely secular symbol, along with Santa Claus and candy canes.
>
> "Whether through misunderstanding or miscommunication, the actions and
> statements of this office ... have been taken to the extreme," wrote
> Kristi Wooden, an assistant county attorney.
>
> The initial decision had been in response to a man who wanted to
> display a menorah at a county building.
>
> Wooden said a menorah could be displayed with a Christmas tree if a
> sign was added to the display reading: "Salute to Liberty. During this
> holiday season, the (government entity) salutes liberty. Let these
> festive lights remind us that we are the keepers of the flame of
> liberty and our legacy of freedom."
>
> ==================================================================
>
> May you have a Merry Christmas and may God Bless you and everyone.
>
> Take Care:)
> U
> It's A Great Day To Be A Boy !
>
There are many apologies that are owed in this series of threads. For
all the derogatory name calling. How significant is it that the posters
who are expressing the supremacy of Christianity, have done this the
most? Is this what the Christian faith is all about? This is not
setting a good example for others to see of your religion in action.
And THIS is why I'm posting these things. I have been a full member of
three religions. I'm outraged when someone trashes their own religion
out of ignorance, when they are trying to push it on others. Your faith
deserves better from you.
Other religions are beautiful. Read their holy writings, then you'll
see. They all promote healthy and wise values. The same ones that
Christianity does. They just take slightly different paths to the same
goal: to live a virtuous life, and to be one with God.
Unfortunately, very few people give more than lip service to the ideals
of their religion, as evidenced by some of the posts here. This applies
to ALL religions. I explained why this is, in another post. So, this
being the case, one should NOT judge a religion solely on the basis of
what it's more aggressive members do and say. Especially with what we
see here.
Some time ago, you interfered in a life and death counseling session
that I was conducting with someone who is of the Islamic faith, over
the content of one of the standard prayers that is most often expressed
in his religious experience. You took exception to it out of ignorance,
assuming that it was meant to denigrate Christianity. It had absolutely
NOTHING to do with you or your faith. He was praying for his LIFE, not
against yours. It was very intolerant and unChristian of you to do
this. Was this what you wanted him to to see of what Christianity was
all about? That your exclusive Christian comfort was more important to
you than his life?
Fortunately, he is still with us, after having gone through a
succession of nics. Did your action and attitude turn him against
Christians? It might have, were he a lesser man. Maybe the fact that
his family is comprised of Moslems, Christians and Jews, that has
contributed to his remarkable understanding and tolerance. We should
all learn from him.
How ironic is it, that just after I come down on a poster, who happens
to be a friend of mine (it wasn't difficult to figure out who he is),
for calling someone an unjustified derogatory name, to then have that
very name applied to ME?
You know me and what I stand for. Do YOU think that I'm an "Adolf"?
Really? Yet you give support and praise for the "wisdom" of someone who
just called me that. Is this what a TRUE Christian does?
I live by and promote the basic Christian values. These values are also
Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, and many other religions.
Now I ask YOU:
What do *you* promote by how you live your life, and by what you
express, your RELIGION, or it's VALUES?
You don't have to give me an answer. It's your God who will demand it
of you, when you meet him. And He only accepts the Truth.
May your God bless you with the compassion and understanding to enable
you to appreciate ALL of humanity, for we are ALL equally of God,
whether we know it or not.
Y Not
Appendix (no, not the organ)
Some web sites of interest for you:
http://www.selectsmart.com/RELIGION/
Take the test to see what religion your beliefs are most in accordance
with.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/
Learn about other religions. And your own.
PS.
Hitler considered himself to be a Christian. So did the Serb who did
that "ethnic cleansing" genocide in Europe. EVERY religion has it's
share of monsters.
"Wisdom can come from many sources,
but will we have the wisdom to recognize it?"
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