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Subject: Re: Question about recent AVI postings
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:49:49 -0400
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In article <4367b167.28541687.qmail@nym.alias.net>, :KidHacker NP-b54
<kidhacker@nym.alias.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:40:49 +0300, silent_one <no@no.no> wrote:
>
> :>i was wondering why so many new vids are
> :>posted in avi format which needs codecs to play instead of the good
> :>old mpg format that works everywhere!
>
> Silent_one, *all* vids require codecs to play on a computer. An analog
> video input must be digitally encoded, i.e.; converted to a digital
> signal in some format or another, before it can be captured by a
> computer. This is done by a codec, aka enCOderDECoder, occasionally
> aka COmpressorDECompressor.
>
> Many of the older codecs are included with your operating system,
> including "good old mpg format" and some earlier, primitive avi
> formats. Butt... technology and the world move on, and there are
> improvements and advances happening faster than you can blink these
> days. These advancements do require the occasional (and generally very
> quick and simple) installation of a new codec in order to keep up.
>
> :>Besides that, those files are really huge and take forever to download
> :>using a dialup connection.
>
> The files get bigger as video quality gets "bigger," and also because
> the little clips of yesteryear have now become feature length movies.
> I can identify, because I'm also using a dialup connection, but I find
> the extra time and effort well worth it.
>
> :> Avi files used to be small because of
> :>compression but recently you need to download 500mb to watch just
> :>15-20 minutes of vid
>
> Avi files used to be small because you were viewing a grainy,
> flickering postage stamp in the middle of your screen. Nowadays you're
> getting full screen DVD quality video and sound in a package so well
> compressed that it'd reduce those old clips to maybe 10% of their
> original size, with no losses whatever.
>
> Bottom line, Silent_one: the files are bigger only because video and
> audio quality have taken giant quantum leaps. Noone is capturing vids
> these days in "good old" mpeg1. Or postage stamp avi. They're using
> mpeg2 (same as what's used in satellite tv transmissions), and DivX,
> and now even mpeg4 compression standards. The results, in many cases,
> are spectacular.
>
> :>I don't mean that to be a complaint, just a question
>
> I'm not complaining either. And I hope I helped explain it a little.
>
> KH NP-b54
>
> If Windows is the solution,
> may we please have the problem back?
> (Borrowed... ;o)...)
Hi KH!
I have a question. And no, it's not a shrink type rhetorical, to which
I already know the answer, thingie. :-)
Just what is Mpeg4?
It seems that MS has at lease one version of it, and so does Apple. I
read somewhere that DivX, and it's clones, are also Mpeg4 variants.
Am I wrong, or am I just confused?
Or, am I wrong AND confused? :-/
Of course, if we really want to get into confusionizing, we can try to
discuss the "H" series HD codecs that I have only seen in my software
settings and haven't a clue about. :-(
When it comes to codecs and players, Windows has the advantage over the
Mac. Apple wants it's codecs to be cross-platform, and MS doesn't.
Also, video has always been part of the Mac OS, since that capability
was introduced, which limits what third party players can do, whereas
on the PC, video has always been an add-on, and other players aren't
limited by the OS.
While the Mac is the small computing platform of choice for video
production, because of the combination of OS and great software from
Apple, it still has problems with playing any videos that aren't
perfect, and that use odd "foreign" codecs.
A note about "Adrian":
Mac users may have some difficulty in joining the parts. We can't use
JAS, and Mac file joiners may not see the parts in the same order as
they are seen in Windows, because Apple places ASCII characters in a
different priority order than does the PC.
This is why, when I post large movies, I use larger split sizes, so I
won't go over 999 parts. Or bottles of beer on the wall? :-)
Take care,
Y Not
Pessimist:
"Whether the cup is half full, or half empty, we can still choke on it."
Optimist:
"Whether the cup is half full, or half empty, we can still get a drink."
Pragmatist:
"I'm thirsty, gimme that cup!"
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