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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:02:39 GMT, TheGratefulDead
<thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:12:46 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:39:13 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>>>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:51:13 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>>>>>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:55:00 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>>>>>>>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 05:41:24 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>>>>>>>>>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 03:28:27 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>>>>>>>>>>>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:01:32 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:39:59 GMT, TheGratefulDead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><thegratefuldead@your.house> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Big Sniperoo>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, Tat was/is fighting lung cancer, you know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know, I know, but I hated to discover that I gave money away under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"those" circumstances. I felt tricked and hoaxed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You were indeed, however, I had no control over the situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No big deal but FWIW, I still feel that a full disclosure should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>made so that people are aware of the shameless trickery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you want to make full disclosure, then make it. Like I said, I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no control of the situation, and besides that, I have lost my Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>identity that I had for years. We all have suffered a loss in some way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I never said you were involved in the hoax, didn't even mean to imply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that. I have a pretty good idea of what happened, and why, but why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that means that you need to lose your nic is beyond me. Then again, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have never been very bright.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Because noone would believe it's me. Then when I would say yes, it is me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>then I would be asked to explain myself. Then I would tell them to get fucked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>My real life personal problems is none of their business. So, it's best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>leave it the way it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I understand.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Kewl
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FTR, I have tried to alert a couple of people, in a very roundabout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fashion, that all my not be as it seems, but it's hard to do without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>coming right out and saying it, but now that you have given me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>permission to do so, I will, at the proper time and place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's fine with me, however, i'm not going to explain myself to anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In another group, Arch Stanton wanted me to explain myself and I more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>or less told him, if he didn't like it, he could lump it. I guess he didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>like it because I haven't heard from him since. That's all well and good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>All he is is a screen name anyway, so fuck him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, I understand. (That's a record, BTW), and that's why I am only
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Double kewl. <s>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>going to alert a couple of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have pieced together that many of the camille ilk already know, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>that's no big deal to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Like you say, we are all just screen names, mostly.<s>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No, I don't think that most of them know, unless Woodstock told them, and
>>>>>>>>>>>noone has challenged my negative posts in camille about spidey collecting
>>>>>>>>>>>PGP keys.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Way I see it, WS told Count Draculol, and the game was afoot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ummmm, you have lost me with this one. "game was afoot"??
>>>>>>>>>Are you saying they all were running from me?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No. If, as I know for a fact, a certain Wild bird told WS that what
>>>>>>>>was dead, wasn't, then if only stands to reason that WS told Drac, and
>>>>>>>>then Drac alerted other's.
>>>>>>>>It's hard to prove because they all are pretty big on PGP'ing stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh well, who gives a shit anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Let me know if and when you want the MP3's, and should you get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>chance, I wouldn't mind having that *Surrealistic Pillow.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It seems that "surrealistic Pillow" was a casualty. I can't even find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my vinyl record of it. Sorry!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Fucking story of my life.<s>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In any event, as this wasn't a "I'll trade you... for a copy of..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>type deal, whatever CD's I have are yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'll let ya noe when i'm ready. I'm still working in the 50s and 60s groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>I appreciate the offer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>BTW, the wayward veggie, Aub, has just turned me onto a thing called
>>>>>>>>>>>>the .ogg format for music files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>You familiar with that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Only works on .wav files, or something like them, and reduces the file
>>>>>>>>>>>>size by 1/3, without loss of quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very Interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yeah, that's Ogg Vorbis format. I don't know much about it, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>read that it's pretty good. You need a special player for those
>>>>>>>>>>>files, if i'm not mistaken. I need to do some more research on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>I think that the .ogg format will be the yEnc of music files. I can
>>>>>>>>>>>see the bitching in the groups now. <G>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Here's what I have found out in the last day since Aub upped it for
>>>>>>>>>>me:
>>>>>>>>>>The program, which I am posting for you, works by right clicking on
>>>>>>>>>>the fish box, and from there you can set it up how you want it.
>>>>>>>>>>It won't work if you rip an MP3 file, but, if you rip in .wav format,
>>>>>>>>>>and then drag and drop that file into the fish box, it automatically
>>>>>>>>>>converts the .wav file into an .ogg file.
>>>>>>>>>>Now, the oggs are supposedly readily played with Winamp, but so far, I
>>>>>>>>>>have had to take the posted .ogg files, and "drop" them into the fish
>>>>>>>>>>box, and then, when the program converts it into a sound file, I can
>>>>>>>>>>launch it with my stand alone MP3 player, Music Match JukeBox.
>>>>>>>>>>My tests show that the same file, MP3 versus .ogg. is about 1/3 the
>>>>>>>>>>size.
>>>>>>>>>>That's a helluva savings, and the quality is supposedly better with
>>>>>>>>>>.ogg.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Lemme know what you think, OK?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So, your saying that I rip to .wav with Audiograbber, then drop a
>>>>>>>>>.wav file into this proggie? Interesting, I'll give it a try. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, that is exactly what I figured out.
>>>>>>>>I ripped an MP3 but the fish said, "unsupported file type," and then I
>>>>>>>>ripped a file into a .wav file, and the fish ate it up very nicely,
>>>>>>>>and burped out an .ogg file.
>>>>>>>>The difference in size, with no loss of quality was amazing.
>>>>>>>>The .ogg was tiny in comparison to the MP3, and equally slim when
>>>>>>>>stacked up against the .wav file.
>>>>>>>>Then I upped all three of them to Aub's binary group,
>>>>>>>>*alt.binaries.aubergine*, and as you might expect the upping times
>>>>>>>>were indicative of the file size differences.
>>>>>>>>The MP3 took 18 minutes, the .wav a tad longer, whereas the .ogg took
>>>>>>>>2 minutes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I then DL'd all 3 files, again with significant time differences, and
>>>>>>>>while I had to "drop" the .ogg file into the fish so that a useable
>>>>>>>>file could be produced, it didn't take an appreciable amount of time.
>>>>>>>>The quality was, to my untrained ear, the same for all 3.
>>>>>>>>Now, supposedly, if I were using Winamp, as opposed to Music Match
>>>>>>>>Jukebox, I wouldn't have needed to convert the .ogg file because
>>>>>>>>Winamp plays them just fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hell, I ripped one song from a CD with Audiograbber. It will rip to
>>>>>>>the .ogg format. I got a free player here http://snackamp.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>>I didn't see that much of size difference between .ogg and .mp3. The
>>>>>>>.mp3 is 2.60meg and the .ogg is 2.20meg. The quality is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interesting. I wonder why the .ogg wasn't smaller?
>>>>>>Hmmmm... mine was 1/3 the size of the MP3 file.
>>>>>>Maybe ripping to .ogg is somehow different than converting it from
>>>>>>.wav to .ogg.
>>>>>>Oh well, at least it is something new to play with, and it is "open
>>>>>>source" so it should improve over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, guy named Beaver was lamenting the fact that Tat had expired
>>>>>>because he wanted some help with video rips, so I told him that a guy
>>>>>>named GreatfulDead knew almost as much, and told him to come here.
>>>>>>Just letting you know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for the link!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well, tell Beave to stop by. I am also in the process of making SVCDs
>>>>>of the Shania Twain concert that was on Tuesday night.
>>>>
>>>>Go to kissy and tell him yerself, or do I look like a friggin' errand
>>>>boy?
>>>>
>>>Uhhhhh, what's kissy? I did a search for kissy and came
>>>up with nothing. If there is a kissy group, I don't get it.
>>
>>Oops. my fault, how would you know of it, you having just been born
>>and all...<s>
>>alt.binaries.dominion.classact.kissass.join
>>
>Oh, ok, I think I remember that group. Isn't that where
>the webbies went for sanctuary? <G>
LOL!
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