On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:47:04 -0700, joselite <josenowhere@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Azov Films announced the death of Vladik Shibanov in a car accident
>three weeks ago. Further details and photos are on the site vladik.org
>and on azovfilms.com.
>
>I was suspicious from the beginning that this was a hoax. I was first
>made suspicious by the way too fluent English on the vladik.org site.
>The writer claims to have known Vladik and knows details of his life
>and death, as if he lives in Crimea. The English is that of a native
>English speaker, very well written. Russian is spoken in Crimea, some
>Ukranian, almost no one speaks English there. I doubt that anyone
>living in Alushta in Crimea is capable of writing such English.
>
>The name Azov Films suggests that they are based in Russia or the
>distribute films made all over the world to an English speaking
>audience. I suspect the way too good English is being written by
>someone in Toronto, not by anyone from Crimea. Azov Films continued
>family and friends some time to mourn out respect.
>
> A new Mitsubishi Outlander in the US sells for over $30,000, the 2008
>near this much. I suspect that a lot of the boys in these movies were
>paid with pizza and ice cream. This car is way beyond the means of a
>in America and Europe unless their wealthy parents buy it for them.
>
>What convinced me of the hoax was the photos posted on the
>Azovfilms.com website. Look at the photo of the crash scene and read
>the description of the crash. Vladik was traveling near 100 mph on a
>wet road with bad tires and spun out of control. The photo of the
>crash scene shows a concrete post (completely undamaged) and a bent
>guardrail on the INSIDE of a curved road. This is impossible. A car
>spinning out of control on a curve is pulled to the OUTSIDE of a curve
>by centrifugal force. This force greatly increases as velocity
>the outside of the curve. The concrete post, struck by a fairly good
>size car at nearly 100mph, should show some damage. There is none. The
>crash scene is fake.
>
>same sign in the rear window. The car has plastic draped over and
>around it. The rear door and passenger side doors have been left
>slightly ajar. There is absolutely no sign of any real damage to the
>car. If this car had really been in an accident at very high speed,
>the windows shattered, most or all of the tires blown out or missing,
>the frame bent, the roof crushed. You see none of this. The rear
>window is intact. Both passenger side tires are intact, and the car is
>frame is not bent, the roof not crushed.
>
>passenger lying trapped in the car, enduring physical pain and the pain
>nearly an hour to cut them out of the car using the Jaws of Life.
>Jaws of Life are needed almost exclusively for one situation: a car
>has flipped over onto its roof at very high speed or has rolled over
>multiple times. This crushes the roof down into the passenger
>compartment, making it impossible to open the doors and impossible to
>extract the victims through the windows. Look at photo of the car
>window intact. Anyone inside this car could easily have been extracted
>in a few minutes through the passenger side, through the rear, or
>through the windshield.
>
>No one died in this car. No one needed to be cut out using the Jaws of
>Hoax.
>
>described and pictured on these websites. If Vladik is dead, perhaps
>obvious a lot of people cared very much for this young man.
>
>My hunch is that Vladik is alive and well in Crimea. He may not even
>all the beautiful things that have been written about him the past
>
>for a joke, or both. Vladik had a great sense of humor in his movies.
>in a car accident to help sell a few more movies and make a little more
>money, he probably laughed and then called all his friends on the phone
>
Interesting postulation, but the 1 picture of the car you posted
appears to support, not refute, the story about wha happened. Firstly,
look closel a the contour of the car, as shown. The passenger side has
a slight, but noiceable curvature to it that didn't originate at the
Mitsubishi plant. Secondly, look closely at the fron righ fender. It
appears to be markedly shorter than stock, indicating twisting inward
toward the radiator.Thirdly, look at the roofline towards the left
side and you will see a protrusion above the driver's door, possibly
made either by a hard impact driving the metal upward or by a
mechanical device pushing the roof sheet metal upward to free a jammed
door. Fourthly, look closely at the rear fascia.It also has a marked
crvature toward the left side of the vehicle indcating a pulling
motion by the frame and/or sheet metal of the left side being shifted
forward and inward. Finally, looking at the plastic sheet draping the
wreck, i is impossible to determine the degree of damage to the
vehicle's glasswork othe than that the rear liftgate window appears to
be still in place, although it is impossible to tell with any degree
of certainty whether it is fully intact due to the transluscence of
the plastic. Generally speaking, draping a sheet of plastc over a
wreck serves 1 of 2 purposes: 1) to protect the interior components
either for restoration should the vehicle be salvageable or 2) to
conceal bloodstains and/or other foresnsic evidence by keping the
"gawkers" at bay. This, however, is normally done with a colored
plastic that one can not see through as this sort of plastic is
generally of a thicker guage tha what was used here.All in all, my
conclusion, based on what see i the posted image, is that the vehicle
in question sustained a severe blow to the Driver's (left) side
pushing the left-side sheet metal into the passenger compartment with
accompanying stretching of the surrounding panels and probable bending
of the left side of the frame/undercarriage. This impact resulted in
the rear liftgate being sprung as the sheet metal and framework below
it twisted to the left from the above-mentioned damage. At the front,
the radiator cradle, grille and probably other, concealed components
were also shifted to the left pulling the right fender sheet metal to
the left, creating the visible, shorter appearance.
If no-one died in this wreck, it would be a full-blown miracle as the
damage listed above would be extensive enough to indicate that the
left side of the vehicle contacted or was impacted by something very
solid at a high velocity in order to cause the damage visible in this
photo.
And yes, I spent quite a few years doing bodywork estimates and
determining the salvageability of wrecks like this one.
Assuming this is, indeed the Outlander owned and driven by Vladik (the
license plate is not visible for positive id) my educated guess is
that he is, indeed, deceased.
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