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On 2019-07-15 00:27:54 +0000, dontno314 said:
> BillFrugge <pinback@darkstar.spc> wrote:
>> On 2019-07-14 20:33:03 +0000, dontno314 said:
>>
>>> BillFrugge <pinback@darkstar.spc> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-07-14 02:43:13 +0000, dontno314 said:
>>>>
>>>>> BillFrugge <pinback@darkstar.spc> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-07-13 20:52:55 +0000, dontno314 said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BillFrugge,
>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the comments, some of them made me consider why I post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been on UseNet since the early days, back when we used tools like
>>>>>>> Archie, Veronica and Jughead. Mail came to us via Oak or Elm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the years I have built a collection of material from UseNet and
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> sources, some provide by others upon request. To those people I am
>>>>>>> greatful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have looked at what was our community as a pay it forward society, one
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> was based on others have the material we wanted / needed for our
>>>>>>> coilections,
>>>>>>> or to re-live a memory we had and perhaps wanted to re-capture. Hence,
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> such as this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of us have aquired collections over the decades that allow us access
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> memories that we had, watching the flickering lights and over saturated
>>>>>>> colors
>>>>>>> of TV growing up. Or watching movies that were released before we were
>>>>>>> born
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> coming to love them. Both the movies and TV shows are considerably better
>>>>>>> written then most of the drivel that is currently being produced and
>>>>>>> aired.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a former teacher I loved to share information and this platform served
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> purpose well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What TV shows today have the diamond like brilliance of Playhouse 90, or
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> anthology series of the 50s. Movies from the '30s with the subversive
>>>>>>> dialog
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the Marx brothers or The Thin Man films and Our Man Godfrey?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subjects that we dare not address lest we fall under the finger pointing
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> political correctness?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was / is these reasons that I post. To share experiences that are
>>>>>>> locked
>>>>>>> away from the past few generations and to perhaps expose them to a
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> viewpoint, one that is not muddled by accusations or it offends someone.
>>>>>>> Shows
>>>>>>> and movies that mean something rather then tentpoles that numb our senses
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> cover up writing that when measure against 12 Angry Men don't even come
>>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>> What was created to run as a 50-minute drama.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It boils down to context. Do TV shows and movies of the past offend
>>>>>>> someone,
>>>>>>> then perhaps they need to develope a thicker skin and view the TV show or
>>>>>>> film
>>>>>>> in the time frame it was created.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is why I post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for the ramble, blame it on the coffee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BillFrugge <pinback@darkstar.spc> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2019-07-12 20:13:44 +0000, dontno314 said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh-Boy asked for a series that I had and so I posted it for the
>>>>>>>>> request.
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> done this several times of the past few months to see if the
>>>>>>>>> "politeness"
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> UseNet had improved. Obviously it has not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I am sorry to all that put in requests for old series and such, but
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> closing shop again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To those of you that do post you know what a pain it is to do it right
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> rars and pars, and the amount of time it takes. To those of you that
>>>>>>>>> do,
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> thanks. As to the rest, you want something, post something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The real question is 'Why does anyone post?'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I post occasionally, but I don't really know why I do it. Do we post
>>>>>>>> out of generosity? Maybe. Posting consumes the time it takes to get the
>>>>>>>> files together, prep them, and the bandwidth needed to post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are no rewards. Yes, there is the occasional 'thank you' for the
>>>>>>>> post. But that's become rather rare these days with bots and nzb
>>>>>>>> trackers. Without conversation, these names become just random bits
>>>>>>>> that we expect will respond to commands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And then there are the problems that come from posting. The requests
>>>>>>>> for reposts. And the emails from your ISP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no requirement on anyone to post. You certainly don't owe it
>>>>>>>> to anyone. But I, for one, am grateful - even if I don't download what
>>>>>>>> is posted. Just having the option is amazing in my opinion, and for
>>>>>>>> that I will thank everyone that posts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dontno314, I'm putting something together that you might find
>>>>>>>> interesting. Look for it in One Week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, the coffee is good, no matter what it leads us to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paying it forward is definitely the right phrase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the posters, I have found many shows that I wouldn't have noticed
>>>>>> otherwise. I probably wouldn't have even had a chance to see them! And
>>>>>> yes, I have accumulated a large, ever expanding library on my Plex
>>>>>> server - television on demand!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I share your view on today's fare. Most shows today are weakly written,
>>>>>> devoid of ideas, and poorly acted. And no one (in my opinion) can come
>>>>>> close to the genius of the Marx Brothers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried Plex, but I prefer Mezzmo as my DLNA server. I don't like a server
>>>>> to
>>>>> organize the meta data in my collection (60+ Tb) on external USB 3.0
>>>>> drives.
>>>>> I
>>>>> use an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of contents. I have the drive
>>>>> divided
>>>>> in
>>>>> Movies (by decade), TV series (by decade) and documentaries.
>>>>>
>>>>> The subjects have three columns in the sheet, so in a matter of seconds I
>>>>> can
>>>>> narrow down exactly the type of thing I want to watch.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also have an AndroidTV box connected to my main screen that I can pop a
>>>>> drive
>>>>> into and watch with either VLC, or Kodi, or Mezzmo Player. I'm also running
>>>>> 1000BaseT with switches through my space so when I have guests for the
>>>>> weekend,
>>>>> if they want to watch something other then what I want, they can go for it
>>>>> without lag.
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to take a look at Mezzmo.
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly new to Plex, but I like it so far. I'd been looking at the
>>>> AppleTV so that I could watch some of my online library, but I finally
>>>> got one once I'd seen what Plex could do.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see the AppleTV listed as being supported by Mezzmo, but I do
>>>> see my old WDTV Live player and the Sony BDP player, so it'd be
>>>> interesting to see how that acts compared to Plex.
>>>>
>>>> I main library is stored on off-line drives. What is loaded into Plex
>>>> is only copies of media that I want currently available. The
>>>> organization of televison shows compares to what I'd been using on my
>>>> WDTV player, but I'm not too sure about the movies. I can find a movie
>>>> in Plex just fine, either by title or genre, but managing the drive
>>>> folder itself can be rather messy; it doesn't care about a folder
>>>> structure.
>>>>
>>>> I also use Excel to track everything in the offline library. I can
>>>> quickly find out which drive a particular show is on, and what format
>>>> it is available in. I've tried to include DVD copies, too, but it gets
>>>> to be a chore to maintain. I like your idea to keep track of the
>>>> decade, so I might add that column.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I wanted to be sure that you found 'One Week.' (I chose to
>>>> obscure the title for this posting.) Or did you find another copy
>>>> elsewhere?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm going to follow your lead and post at the bottom of the thread.
>>>
>>> You hit the nail on the head about Kodi and Plex. Neither care about drives
>>> or
>>> folder structure, which is fine if you have a massive NAS sub-system. As my
>>> media server evolved, I found that 1) the cost per Gb and the cost of Tb
>>> dropped drimatically over the years, 2) going with ANY closed system (such
>>> as a
>>> NAS) means that I am limited to the max abount of storage that unit may
>>> handle.
>>> While my approach (and yours) of using external USBs is literally unlimited.
>>>
>>> Another reason I went this route is ownership vs. licensing (and privacy).
>>> Under the terms of use, even if you "buy" a movie or TV series from Apple or
>>> Netflix or Apple, you don't actually own the perpetual "rights" to the
>>> intellectual property. Your going to see this coming up very quickly for
>>> people
>>> that "bought" Friends on Netflix. "The show will move to HBO Max when that
>>> deal
>>> expires at the start of 2020. WarnerMedia Entertainment Networks president
>>> Reilly strongly indicated back in February that Friends would be pulled from
>>> Netflix and moved to the streaming platform when he noted that "it's not a
>>> good
>>> model to share." "
>>>
>>> So what happens to those that have Friends in their catalogues? It's gone. If
>>> they want it, they will have to subscripe to HBO Max to get it and pay again
>>> for the privileged. And that's assuming that the service will be available on
>>> their devices. Having offline copies stops the DMCA bullshit.
>>>
>>> The reason I use Mezzmo (or VLC) CAN work with folder / drive structures.
>>>
>>> The problem with AppleTV is that Apples mindset is their eco-system
>>> deliberately doesn't play nice with others. This was part of Steve Jobs
>>> orginal
>>> design plan. All my family uses Apple which means as a Windows user, I can't
>>> speak to them natively. They either have to add Skype or I have to get an
>>> Apple. I solved this issue by running a Sierra VM on my system. And for my
>>> next
>>> build I will probably make a Hackintosh (After all, iOS is basically a Linux
>>> fork).Pi
>>>
>>> As to your issues:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/apple/apple-tv/8059/how-to-connect-your-apple-tv-to-a-dlna-server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A lot of backflips to do something that industry standard.
>>>
>>> BTW, I did not request "Weeks" and I hope the person you posted it for will
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> Pi
>>>
>>> It is by Caffeine alone I set my mind
>>> in motion. It is by the beans of Java
>>> that thoughts aquire speed, the hands
>>> aquire shakes, the shakes become a
>>> warning. It is by caffeine alone I set
>>> my mind in motion.
>>
>> Oh, I thought you were looking for 7 Days awhile back. Oh well, it's
>> out there now. If someone wants the rest they'll have to ask.
>>
>> I learned my lesson with DRM long ago with Liquid Audio. I had a few
>> tracks with it, but you could only play them with their application.
>> Now that they are no longer around, neither are my tracks.
>>
>> My online library is composed mostly of movies and shows that came with
>> digital copies. The rest are programs that I've purchased through
>> Apple's store - and I've got the ability to remove the DRM from them. I
>> still prefer to have a physical copy whenever possible. (Which then
>> gets ripped and put on the hard drives for quick access.)
>>
>> Plex is running nicely. I can access my server either through an app or
>> a web browser, and it will stream videos in whatever format is needed
>> for the platform. It's even handling the x265 scheme that my WDTV
>> couldn't. Fortunately, I'm not putting many movies into it right now.
>>
>> I checked out Plex on the Sony BluRay player, but was not impressed.
>> The menu system was nothing more than a folder system, and the one
>> video I tried would not play. It just kept reporting that the player
>> could not handle that format and wouldn't let me exit.
>>
>> Thanks for the articles on connecting the AppleTV to a DLNA server. You
>> are right, that is a lot of backflips. I think I'll just pick up an
>> Android TV when I get to that point. (I'm not committed to any platform
>> - it's a tool.)
>>
>> I've gone the Hackintosh route before. It does work, but you have to
>> watch out that you don't do any updates. You can't use just any
>> hardware, either.
>
> I did request "7-days", but "One Week" is a Candian TV show as well. Sometimes
> being clever bites you!
>
> I think I did get your post, was it from off the air or the DVD release? If it
> was the DVD's would you please repost them?
>
> As to HackenTosh, if you haven't already look at this site:
>
> http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/2010/04/iboot-multibeast-install-mac-os-x-on.html
>
>
> Pi
Too clever. I didn't even stop to think if there was another show by
that name...
They are from DVD. Looks like they're still available.
tonymacx86 is THE place. I used to frequent osxlatitude forums since I
based my hackintoshes on some Dell laptops, and a lot of the files came
from tony.
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