Colonel Buckshot <buckshot@buckshot.com> wrote in
news:dbbg4cp74vuv9dltqef27iml24l6gmh878@news.giganews.com:
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2016 10:54:06 GMT, Sara Bellum <Sara@cortex.com> wrote:
>
>>symm <symm@nowhere.org> wrote in
>>news:2016120515280796390-symm@nowhereorg:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-05 18:18:02 +0000, Sara Bellum said:
>>>
>>>> symm <symm@nowhere.org> wrote in
>>>> news:2016120502014762287-symm@nowhereorg:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-30 12:53:11 +0000, Wednesday Weld said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Sara.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-11-30 04:50:09 -0500, Sara Bellum said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wednesday Weld <notues@hotslot.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:583d8e1f$0$40855 $b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-29 06:54:34 -0500, Sara Bellum said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's fixed them:-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which servers are they? Can't find Fred's post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the final posts on the subject, which was under the
>>>>>>> heading 3000 days retention:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:23:05 GMT, Sara Bellum <Sara@cortex.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have just tried to download Rogues Regiment, which was
>>>>>>>>> posted 2671 days ago, with Astraweb and it is not complete
>>>>>>>>> upon the server
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you using both US and EU servers ?
>>>>>>>> eu.news.astraweb.com
>>>>>>>> us.news.astraweb.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are looking for posts from that age you should consider
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> non-expiring block from another provider such as Newsdemon,
>>>>>>>> Usenet-News or Newsgroupdirect to fill the gaps in Astraweb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Fred.
>>>>>>> Yes, I always use both servers when I'm in Astraweb.
>>>>>>> I'll get wth one of your suggested other providers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the tip.
>>>>>
>>>>> But a quick search for "non-expiring block Newsdemon" brings up
>>>>> the sales page for the account. It just seems like a pre-paid data
>>>>> plan for a usenet service, i.e. X GBs of data with no time limit
>>>>> until used. But it doesn't seem to be any special block of data;
>>>>> just the same data you get with a monthly/yearly plan form the
>>>>> same provider. Newdemon does currently advertise 3034 day
>>>>> retention but I don't see how that helps with "posts which have
>>>>> been taken down the same day" which is what grabbed my attention.
>>>>> I assume this to mean DCMA style takedowns of binary posts.
>>>>> Perhaps Newsdemon or one of the other listed providers is less
>>>>> likely to have this issue?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see this being a good backup for your preferred service. Pay
>>>>> for X amount of data to supplement your normal usenet subscription
>>>>> service and not have to worry about your pre-paid data allotment
>>>>> expiring. While not a guarantee of compleness, it increases the
>>>>> odds, but again how does this help with "posts which have been
>>>>> taken down the same day"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Posts which were not available to download from my usual servers,
>>>> where I have still thousands of GBs of credit, were fully
>>>> downloaded from one of the non-expiring servers. Certain posts are
>>>> taken down the day they are posted. This is a practice performed on
>>>> many popular posts. This is a fact.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> Which service works best in this regard for you? Original comment
>>> had listed Newsdemon, Usenet-News or Newsgroupdirect. Was it one of
>>> these or do you have to retry on more than one?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I paid $2.75 to UsenetNow/Blocknews Usenet services for 5GB and I use
>>this to complete the downloads which AstraWeb downloads do not
>>complete. Obviously the 5GB are much, much dearer that Astraweb per
>>GB, but they do complete the whole download. Otherwise you would never
>>complete some downloads. All in all it does not work out that dear if
>>you use your cheap server to download as much as you can. Astraweb are
>>brilliant most of the time.
>
> Also keep in mind that the use of block accounts is not dedicated to
> working around DCMA takedowns. It's primary intent is to obtain fills
> for files with bits and pieces that have dropped off servers (for
> whatever reason), or to get those bits and pieces when the uploads
> (for whatever reason) never fully uploaded to some servers in the
> first place. It's a god-send for many older files discovered in NZB
> searches, which have been hanging around for many years and may be
> approaching 'drop off' on some servers to make room for the newer
> stuff.
>
> It's a good bet that when DCMA takedowns are ordered, the orders are
> sent to the vast majority of block account services as well as the
> majority of Primary usenet services. The "alphabet soup" filenames
> that show up in some newsgroups on a regular basis are an attempt to
> prevent the takedowns, regardless of whose server they sit on.
>
> Barring that subterfuge, popular, high-demand titles are going to be
> messed with via the DCMA lawyers. Keep your calenders up to date, and
> search NZB lists starting an hour or so after the show airs. If you
> wait until the next day or so, you'll likely find yourself with an f'd
> up file.
>
> Colonel Buckshot
>
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That is my practice. I get searching before the terminators, hopefully,
haven't woken-up.
Sara
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