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From: Colonel Buckshot <buckshot@buckshot.com>
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.multimedia.vintage-film
Subject: Re: thanks fred-bloggs for the advice on non-expiring servers. It even works with posts which have been taken down the same day.
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 09:52:11 -0600
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2016 10:54:06 GMT, Sara Bellum <Sara@cortex.com> wrote:
>symm <symm@nowhere.org> wrote in
>news:2016120515280796390-symm@nowhereorg:
>
>> On 2016-12-05 18:18:02 +0000, Sara Bellum said:
>>
>>> symm <symm@nowhere.org> wrote in
>>> news:2016120502014762287-symm@nowhereorg:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-30 12:53:11 +0000, Wednesday Weld said:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Sara.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-30 04:50:09 -0500, Sara Bellum said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wednesday Weld <notues@hotslot.com> wrote in news:583d8e1f$0$40855
>>>>>> $b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-11-29 06:54:34 -0500, Sara Bellum said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's fixed them:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which servers are they? Can't find Fred's post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the final posts on the subject, which was under the
>>>>>> heading 3000 days retention:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:23:05 GMT, Sara Bellum <Sara@cortex.com>
>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have just tried to download Rogues Regiment, which was posted
>>>>>>>> 2671 days ago, with Astraweb and it is not complete upon the
>>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you using both US and EU servers ?
>>>>>>> eu.news.astraweb.com
>>>>>>> us.news.astraweb.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are looking for posts from that age you should consider
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> non-expiring block from another provider such as Newsdemon,
>>>>>>> Usenet-News or Newsgroupdirect to fill the gaps in Astraweb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Fred.
>>>>>> Yes, I always use both servers when I'm in Astraweb.
>>>>>> I'll get wth one of your suggested other providers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tip.
>>>>
>>>> But a quick search for "non-expiring block Newsdemon" brings up the
>>>> sales page for the account. It just seems like a pre-paid data plan
>>>> for a usenet service, i.e. X GBs of data with no time limit until
>>>> used. But it doesn't seem to be any special block of data; just the
>>>> same data you get with a monthly/yearly plan form the same provider.
>>>> Newdemon does currently advertise 3034 day retention but I don't see
>>>> how that helps with "posts which have been taken down the same day"
>>>> which is what grabbed my attention. I assume this to mean DCMA style
>>>> takedowns of binary posts. Perhaps Newsdemon or one of the other
>>>> listed providers is less likely to have this issue?
>>>>
>>>> I can see this being a good backup for your preferred service. Pay
>>>> for X amount of data to supplement your normal usenet subscription
>>>> service and not have to worry about your pre-paid data allotment
>>>> expiring. While not a guarantee of compleness, it increases the
>>>> odds, but again how does this help with "posts which have been taken
>>>> down the same day"?
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Posts which were not available to download from my usual servers,
>>> where I have still thousands of GBs of credit, were fully downloaded
>>> from one of the non-expiring servers. Certain posts are taken down
>>> the day they are posted. This is a practice performed on many popular
>>> posts. This is a fact.
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> Which service works best in this regard for you? Original comment had
>> listed Newsdemon, Usenet-News or Newsgroupdirect. Was it one of these
>> or do you have to retry on more than one?
>>
>>
>
>I paid $2.75 to UsenetNow/Blocknews Usenet services for 5GB and I use
>this to complete the downloads which AstraWeb downloads do not complete.
>Obviously the 5GB are much, much dearer that Astraweb per GB, but they do
>complete the whole download. Otherwise you would never complete some
>downloads. All in all it does not work out that dear if you use your
>cheap server to download as much as you can. Astraweb are brilliant most
>of the time.
Also keep in mind that the use of block accounts is not dedicated to
working around DCMA takedowns. It's primary intent is to obtain fills
for files with bits and pieces that have dropped off servers (for
whatever reason), or to get those bits and pieces when the uploads
(for whatever reason) never fully uploaded to some servers in the
first place. It's a god-send for many older files discovered in NZB
searches, which have been hanging around for many years and may be
approaching 'drop off' on some servers to make room for the newer
stuff.
It's a good bet that when DCMA takedowns are ordered, the orders are
sent to the vast majority of block account services as well as the
majority of Primary usenet services. The "alphabet soup" filenames
that show up in some newsgroups on a regular basis are an attempt to
prevent the takedowns, regardless of whose server they sit on.
Barring that subterfuge, popular, high-demand titles are going to be
messed with via the DCMA lawyers. Keep your calenders up to date, and
search NZB lists starting an hour or so after the show airs. If you
wait until the next day or so, you'll likely find yourself with an f'd
up file.
Colonel Buckshot
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