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From: hopper <Troll5layer@ABCP.hall.0.fame.invalid>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
Subject: Re: Test post "Summer Strawberries.rar" (1/1) yEnc 156435 Bytes - Summer Strawberries.rar
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:48:38 +1000
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:28:47 +0200, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
Easy <Easy@lantis.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:20:51 +1000, hopper
><Troll5layer@ABCP.hall.0.fame.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:44:45 +0200, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
>>Easy <Easy@lantis.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:59:01 -0500, bluerope81
>>><bluerope81@bluerope.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>YES
>>>that works OK
>>
>>Are you saying your V1.93 decoded that file fine?
>>I found different.
>>.. and a quick look at the raw code says the yEnc intro
>>is not correct.
>>Tones (again) of the PowerPost problem, repeated.
>>But whatever.. I am getting to past caring.
>>This person is dead set embarked on not cooperating.
>>There is every possible combination of sewing file in that
>>upload :-/
>>I attach the only useful files.
>>
>>>I see your upgrade to X-Newsreader: 5.54RC5
>>
>>The Newsbin POS is "bugware". RC5 has its problems too.
>>RC7 is in the pipeline.
>>http://forums.newsbin.com/viewtopic.php?t=25396&highlight=54rc5
>>
>>Why it is this software cannot be dumped and burnt is
>>beyond me. Where is the problem?
>>
>
>Yes it did decode fine with my v1.93
>But I must say that I have a little tweak from 6 years ago due to
>problems with an other post from Xnews. It has a simular problem.
>There also the word yEnc was after (1/1)
>
So.. cutting to the chase..?.. without 'modifying' a perfectly working
setup, *nobody* can download successfully any post that is put up
by the Newsbin software. Software that _is_ poorly constructed for
posting.
This is what you are saying?
Users and other posters alike must change to suit the whim of a
poster posting corrupt files?
>Here is the tweak
>I had always understood that disjoined posts were a bug in Agent, as
>other newsreaders don't have this problem.
Not at all correct.
In fact, and the history is all there for the looking - check
DejaVu/Guggle - *none* of the problem existed until post 2000 when
cable and clueless RR/Comcast/Verizon/Bellsouth
users flooded binary froups chasing "free music" and "free pR0n",
leading to the design and building of "click n go" "Power User Tools"
/rolls eyes
.. as PowerPost and NewsPro.. and yes, xNews.
In a nutshell _there_ is *why* those same organistions have dumped
binary Usenet altogether and many are looking at dumping Usenet
completely.
It was _not_ Agent that was "buggy", it was the clueless gits as per
the author of NewsBin who wrote _bad_ software.
THAT is what has been and is now the problem.
Here are the lines from two posts. One works (and is made by
clone of Chris Morse's PP), the other does not work and is made by the
POS the troll luluemb/TallGirl/emb/FTNOA/Fun/ lulu /Rosie/ bluerope81
is beating us up with.
-------
=ybegin part=1 line=128 size=14256 name= xxxxxxxxxx.par2
=ypart begin=1 end=14256
=ybegin part=1 total=5 size=2015195 line=128 name=OESD 12250 Swan
Lace.zip
=ypart begin=1 end=0
-------
Take note of the 0 end tag.
>were It turns out that it is
>just that the default setting in agent is to show all posts disjoined
>unless the posting newsreader includes a parameter to tell agent not
>to do this. Here is how you change the Agent default setting to fix
>the problem:
>
This is very bad advice for ABCP users.
I would explain why that is IF you are interested.
Suffice to say the tutorials posted are written around including those
reasons. A read of those tutorials would make a lot of things very
clear as to how this newsgroup works.
ABCP _is_ unique. FACT.
ALL users are advised to _disable_ "auto-join" IF it is enabled in
their setup.
And, btw.. that "fix" you call a tweak is not any solution to the
whole of the problem.
/snip
>
>
>
>
>One more note.
>Bluerope last post was OK but I see that it is only (1/1)
>I would like to see if multiparts would also be good.
I would not.
And I will say why.
I will be brief.
The postings by this troll and your fup (both to Herb and then to
myself) are the very reason I am not able to do a _lot_ more of what
_I_ enjoy from this group.
The time it takes to;
1. sort posters putting up supercilious suggestions
2. posting direct aggravation (Jean)
3. "hand holding" folks either too lazy, or (unfortunately) so
handicapped in education it is a wonder they can even plug in a
sewing machine!!!!
.. is (by factor) _enormous_ for a functioning binary group.
Suggesting the troll persist in thrashing the group with more
of that silly womans idea of 'fun' is plainly ridiculous.
The fool cannot even work through not using yEnc at all!
There is so much more we, as a group, could be doing..
and yet those with the skills to promote such endeavors are
kept busy sorting problems that are both repetitive and mundane.
We (ABCP) have done the "0 tag" problem of postings by PowerPost,
WWW interfaces and DweebTV'ers at least twice before -- in my recall
-- with the tutorials written so as to circumvent these problems.
Why then must good resource be put into educating a dimwit who will
not even respond to communication?
And _you_know_ that person has been asked many times to get with the
program and sort out *her* problem by 'talking' to those who can help!
That is enough of my time wasted tonite, I go to do that which I get
"fun" from.
.. thankyou for the platform.
/steps down from the rostrum
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