On Mon, 27 July 2009 21:48:39 +1000, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:31:57 +0930, hopper <bak@home.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:33:48 +1000, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
>>Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:52:54 +0930, hopper <bak@home.invalid> begged
>>>for a light to be shone on the den of darkness:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:02:32 GMT,
>>>>in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures hm@sapinho.com wrote:
>>>>
>...
>
>>You said "Clear as mud":
>>
>>So I take the liberty of asking:
>>
>>What I got so far is Hummel is like "photo realistic"
>>requiring the builder to not just have an artistic flair but
>>also the sewing ability to determine where stops are
>>in a design.. just to build a colour chart.
>>
>Not quite sure where you are heading with "photo realistic", but
Sorry, it is like a graphics term/usage.
Meaning lots of colours in a palette as against
the primary colours.
from what you go on to say it is now something
I will abandon. Way too difficult to maintain the original.
And folks would just shake their head when "seeing" the
design in their software.
>Hummels are "olde worlde" type figures. Requiring a specific colour
>palette if one is determined to remain true to the mark. As a simile,
>you don't use Picasso colours in a tranquil Monet. Hummels are very
>"bland", reflecting an "olde worlde" feel.
>Euro rustic if you like.
>If one is a bit colour challenged, confidently reflecting this
>"blandness" for a country feel would be a challenge.
>I wasn't inferring that HM was asking the impossible, I just meant
>that without knowing what Mettler actually chose to start with,
>anything anyone tried to do to help would only be a quess.
>
>Stops will be in the design at each different colour regardless -- so
>long as -- no one had their software set to combine sequential colours
>that are the same (two sequential red etc). This I have noticed in
>some software and it is bloody annoying! Hus software requires you to
>manually press buttons to do it, it is not a default. I have seen it
>as a default in other software and sat wondering why my 20 colours
>suddenly became 15.
>
>If the original colourchart (as distributed by the digitiser) is not
>available, then "home made colour charts" can only be determined by
>what one has to look at --> the posted sewing file.
>If these sewing files have been 'tampered" with - either by extension
>change or colour palette change, then Mettler thread changes are no
>longer seen.
>As another thought, most in here would be able to call up the file on
>the computer and refer to it whilst they sewed. Most, not all.
>As long as one wanted to choose their own colours, no chart would be
>needed.
>
>>those colours have to nominate the suppliers
>>colour number the colour chart builder selected?
>>Is this even half right?
>>
>Yessums. Original colouring was requested in this case. In this case,
>"helpful" wouldn't have been enough. "Original" was needed.
>
>Some (and very few) digitisers offer thread number alternatives for
>the more popular brands of thread.
>This is becoming less and less common as digitisers align themselves
>with a particular brand.
>HM wanted Mettler, and as it turns out, the designs were originally
>digitised in Mettler. To help HM with a "home made" chart, you would
>have to know what the colours originally were.
>With the designs that were posted, guessing would have been as close
>as anyone would have got.
>
>>Then we have "straight" (primary colours) designs
>>which could be converted "on the fly".
>>Or does one have to have sewing skills with those too,
>>to know where stops should be?
>>
>Don't think of the colours in terms of "stops".
>All software will interpret the colour change as a "stop", as long as
>it hasn't combined sequential same colours. Viking software is the
>only software to interpret "pause" as far as I'm aware.
>
>The problem with Hummels is maintaining the "integrity" of the
>Hummel's colour heritage. They are not meant to be sewn in bright or
>outlandish colours. Whilst I'm not fond of the colours that they are
>in their original state either, I am aware of the rustic atmosphere
>the digitiser wanted them to reflect.
>
>>And, thirdly, when doing manual punch.. both
>>"systems" have to be considered before punching
>>a vector graphic into a design format or even
>>selecting a graphic!
>>
>Yessums, if you want to remain true to a particular colour palette.
>Not so much selecting the graphic, as you should be able to choose the
>colours you want anyway.
>You would have to post the original colour palette, with colours how
>you intended them to be, because even after one extension change, the
>files could be any colour.
>Eg. You create a design using Mettler palette. I open it in VIP
>software. VIP has no Mettler palette (I just looked) so I go with the
>Sulky default... doesn't look too much like your original I am
>guessing.
>If I convert an original design, say from .ART to .VIP, and I wanted
>to keep the original colours as set by the digitiser, I have to choose
>the thread palette the design was digitised in. Otherwise my thread
>palette will just use my default (in my case Sulky) and alter the
>colours to the closest it can. If I don't know what thread palette the
>designer chose, then I am flying blind if I wanted "originality".
>
>>Kind of like Pro Hart on the left side of the skull and
>>Jean Paul Gaultier on the right !!
>>Am I even getting close to gathering information
>>from your post?
>>
>If you mean "is there more to displaying sewing files than I first
>thought"?..... then yes!
See opening comment.
>Home made charts are helpful. But, as some still require "integrity",
>it won't help when one doggedly wants the colours the original
>digitiser chose.
>I will bet that very few abcp consumers see the same thing when they
>open a sewing file.
>Artista/3D/4D/VIP/Embird/Buzz/Wilcom/Generations..... all look at the
>file with subtle differences. The major difference being the
>interpretation of colour. This can be manually changed, but personal
>preferences will prevent this from becoming a standard.
>
>Remember the observation of changing a file to .hus using the programs
>VIP, Wilcom and Artista?? (We did this exercise in a different forum)
>and rared each to see why/how they differed?. Same file, saved as .hus
>in 3 different programs. Each different program saved the file in 3
>different ways. Each rared in 3 different sizes.
>Each still saved as .hus, but each had subtle differences. The
>differences being noted because of the way each program "interpreted"
>the file.
>
Yes, I remember this.. some years ago now ;-)
>>And then, then.. what does one do about this..?
>>
>Try to keep the original paperwork when obtaining the files online as
>someone ALWAYS wants to follow the original instructions!! /grin
>Even the digitisers offer the design in many different file formats.
>You will notice each format is subtley different in colour.
>
Ok :-)
>>You say on your machine the work is labourious.
>>So just how the freckle does anyone get on sewing
>>out the myriad of designs posted here (ABCP) with no CCs !!
>>
>It's a gift........./laff
heh.. and something the "all knowing" best stay well
clear of, methinks <G>
>I can also make my computer do what I want.... meheheh.
>Some people can "see" how the colours will look in their head.
>It helps to line up the colours and see how they "blend", but in the
>end - it's an ability to "see" the design in your head.
>I have a friend who cannot do this. She needs help with colour choice,
>she is not confident to do it on her own.
>It's not that she is dumb, she just can't "project" the image she
>wants to achieve.
>She is very much "see --> do". A Visual, if you like. She can
>replicate anything she likes the look of. She just needs to see it
>first.
>We all learn differently.
>One must assess the Student's needs......
>(gee, I remember beating someone up about that eons ago.../laff)
>
*cough*
/la ff
>>As to actually building ones own designs,
>>what then is a solution here.. choose one default thread
>>system and punch all your designs around that base?
>>
>Designers already do that. They all have their favourite thread
>palettes.
>Everyone in here has their favourites and will just change it to suit
>themselves if they know how --> originality gone -->poof!
>
>>Or produce the same design using say three or four
>>popular thread suppliers?
>>Copy 1 Sulky
>>Copy 2 Isacord
>>Copy 3 Floriani
>>Copy 4 Mettler
>>?
>>?
>>
>They will get messed up the first time someone converts them in a
>different colour palette and hits save.
>
See opening comment.
>>And, next question.. who determines what is popular?
>>The puncher, the thread supplier or the sewer?
>>
>Depends on what order you think in!
>
>Thread suppliers pander to the buyer. That is their income. They also
>pander to seasonal colour palettes. Rather like the rag trade. Each
>year red/blue/pink/purple is the new black!
>
>The designer is the loose cannon. Jenny Haskins got her thread
>supplier to make her her own box of colours. You can buy a box of
>"Jenny Haskins Colours". She works mostly in shades of purples, pinks
>and greens. Thread suppliers realised these as her "signature" colours
>and created a box of colours so her customers could just buy the box
>instead of trying to track down the individual spools themselves.
>
>Myself, I choose thread integrity over colour. I only use one thread
>brand, it's strong and worthy of the beating I give it. I am just
>lucky their colour selection is vast and I don't need a colour chart
>to follow to choose my own colours. I like what I like and I can't
>remember the last time I looked at a colour chart. I just open my
>thread drawers (sorted like the rainbow) and just pull out what I
>want.
>I do swap colours myself in my editing program, depending on my colour
>needs of the moment. Not all kids want a pink fairy dress, as I
>discovered, so flexibility is the key!
>
>>Apols for the delay (and being distracted by your fanboi)
>>
>Naye..... I think he is YOUR fanboi!! /laff... he is just a little
>unsure as to whom he is talking to at any given time...../grin
>
no.. he is yours! all yours!
/MAO
>>but things got kind of busy around here yesterday ;-)
>>
>Hope they have calmed down today. Must have been a bad day all round.
>Hope you all get home safely.
>
yep, not good.. and still happening.
Off to feed the cooks, literally.
BBL
>In a nutshell??
>No, we can't make a "standard" thread palette for all to follow. It's
>just not possible/practical. Everyone likes what they like. They may
>just have to learn how to make it want they want once they get it, if
>it is not the colours they want.
>We have a hard enough time stopping them talking to strangers!! Get
>real!
>
>When someone asks for "original" colour palette, they are usually
>asking if anyone has the colours as set out by the Digitiser who first
>created it. So they can follow that instead of trying to recreate it
>themselves.
>
>Pixie :-)
|
| Follow-ups: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 |
|