fushtas <fushtas <veronika@cuteemb.org>>wrote
in <fgvu865v6gerv9c200qgqbfnl6m9i46ke2@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:51:25 +1000, hopper
>>
>>fushtas <fushtas <veronika@cuteemb.org>>wrote:
>>>Hope this helps it's all I have. I couldn't find the
>>>>Also you can just use the mask remove whatever is in it and use your
>>>>own sayings/designs.
>>>>
>>>Unfortunately fushtas the post is likely "jammed in a
>>>hole" somewhere for most folks as it is;
>>>
>Strange you should say that my post is "jammed in a hole somewhere"
>because I checked the post with Agent, OE, and Grabit and was able to
>retrieve all 5 files from all three sources.
>
And each is pointed at what server..?.. m'Dear??
>I did use the Agent tutorial to load the zips that is how I knew to
>add each attachment.
>
Do quote the direction you followed.
You are aware I and a few others co-wrote
those tutorials?? Feedback is always welcome.
>Now granted when I go to ABCP site it (my reply) is not listed there,
>surprisingly enough neither is Lucy's req for the designs.
>
And no doubt Lucy's REQ is not on other servers :-/
Often it is the case I and others have to
"chase servers" to find just what it is folks are
posting (text and/or binary) as their posts are
being dropped by servers - because they do not
conform to Usenet standards.
Lucy "banner posts".. others "banner post".
ALL have had advice on this problem. They _choose_ to
keep the bad practice up..?.. well in my book that
is __their problem__ when they miss out - they were
told, way back.
>I understand that my reply posting to Lucy does not meet the ABCP
>guidelines,
>
Anything.. anything at all, anything you read in this
NG (as advice from myself, or "those who know") is
repetitive advice from ***Usenet*** guidelines, derived
from the RFCs, and known ""good practice".
ISP (and NSP) "sites" tell you how to download, very
few tell you how to post. Sites such as
"binaries4all.com" and those Newsbin tutorials
deliberately list information that is not correct
and will attract the ire of regular posters and
downloaders (leeches) alike, all over Usenet.
What is done here in ABCP (by regulars) is to sort
the wheat from the chaff so as to pass on
_good information_.. an' for little or no appreciation
from the masses, I would add.
Most, as you are doing, simply throw a tissy fit in
executing "the Finger".
There is the reality of any true intention to
"share" :-/
I digress...
The expression "ABCP guidelines" is used to simplify
sources, as is most other advice offered here -
simplified.
We (folks posting "help") have tried many many other
approaches to helping sewers new to Usenet get going.
The above has been found to be the _only_ approach
that half way works.. anything else is simply a waste
of effort in typing out..!
This is a "Fact of Life"... for ABCP. Period.
>>a.) posted under headers (multiple attachments in one
>>post)
>>AND
>>b.) waaaaayy oversize (>10000 lines) for servers to
>>accept
>I do believe it meets my guidelines of answering Lucy and giving her
>what she asked for.
>
And there is the problem, universally so, as in "not
just ABCP".
/sets recorder tab to "GO"
"I am alright Jack, it worked for me".
For what is maybe the towsanth time, I say again.
Pretty much anything can be posted, the
*ability* to do so does NOT then guarantee the post is
going to be accepted, or useful.
In again simplifying the "why" I can say with complete
confidence neither your own or Lucy's "guidelines" are
going to work for you every time.. or anyone else, most
of the time.
The core problem is actually a lot deeper than you will
admit... to yourself.
Neither of you know what you are doing nor understand
even the very basics of how posts articles
(the components of posts) are accepted and distributed
by servers used in forming Usenet.
You yourself can add to that "I don't know what I am
posting".
This is evident (to those who know) as your post
contains <thumbs.db> files, and is in *.pes format for
the designs.
The first is wasteful (data) and a breach of your own
computer security. The second is just wasteful.
There are exceptionally few occasions when *.pes is
required.
OTOH... the *.hus format is universal and a much lower
(smaller) payload for both the poster and the leech.
But you will want to argue about both these facets of
**your** 'guidelines'... right? :-/
>>I have posted the help tutorials for newbies.
>>These may assist you ion sorting out how Usenet posting
>>works.. Usenet does not work the same as
>>eMail.
>>
>>In the meantime would it help were I to repost your
>>set:?
>>
>>cheers
>
>Let's say you...
>Give it until this coming Sunday if Lucy or someone (anyone) else
>doesn't post a msg saying they got it feel free to repost it.
>
Have you read this post?
MiD: <4ogg86tmgi336k59nkkbgr4tedveekvabd@4ax.com>
What about this one?
MiD: <d8nk86l8uddpre4rvpm6ba262cdujuv9qb@4ax.com>
It starts here:
MiD: <6ugf869ijhg75nohe25v3ituj4s7mdnp6j@4ax.com>
... that there is a 'troll'... congratulating itself.
Been done hundreds if not thousands of times... in ABCP
alone :-'
You are not listening. I have downloaded your post and
will repost it now.
Pay attention to how it is done. You will learn
something from the exercise as have many before you...
IF, if you really do want to "share".
>OR if before that someone posts they are unable to retrieve
>it feel free to do so.
>
The only way someone who has missed out is going to
*know* is from reading these text posts. Some do, a lot
do not. As you have admitted before today, you don't
(read group) unless it is something to do with what you
want or need to know.. I have that right, yes?
So it is when folks just chase up their posts or their
REQs.. and some - no, MANY - do not even do that
much..!
Be very clear on this.. I am NOT pointing to those
regularly posting files in a way they have learnt ALL
get the files.
I AM pointing to those who THINK they know and just
drop whatever wherever and run for the hills when any
review of the method is posted.
The former are well worth any effort in educating,
being well meaning generous folk lacking only a few
skills which they quickly take on in learning. The
latter I have pretty much given up on.. they are just
the flotsam of Usenet and not worth the effort in
pointing advice at.
That JoeMoe character (and a hundred other names)
is one such clueless dolt.
The Gymmy Bob/J P Bengi moron, attempting
forgery of my known ID, is another.
>Thanks for the patience and help.
>
You choose where you want to be in ABCP, fush.
Nobody can decide that for you. You get the above as I
did read Pixie before posting what I was originally
going to post in response.. a "one liner" along the
lines of GFYBM.
Pixie obviously thinks you are worth some keystrokes
in 'saving'.. I respect that poster's knowledge here in
this NG. There is why you get this "epistle", I have
much more... much much more.
So thank Pixie IF you get any more... or you can just
"run and hide".. as do those not truly interested in
how this NG performs in "sharing".. for EVERYONE.
cheers
--
hopper
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