On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:13:08 +1000, hopper
next Christmas!:
>Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com.invalid>wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:53:35 +0200, "bigmama" <antony@bigmama.all>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>:(((
>>>
>>Because??
>>
>Because sign language did not get for the requestor
>what was expected??????<g>
>
What is expected is a little more (at the moment) than anyone in this
groupe can deliver.
Requestors are a little naive.
Deliverers are under a lot of pressure (time mainly).
Now Herb knows how Santa feels.... /grin
/toggles Rodney Rude.... where's me fuskin' bike???
/rofl
>>Herb asked. I explained. I'm sure He won't mind... Herb??
>>
>I carnt say (don't know) how long it is you (Pixie)
>have been subscribed to ABCP, but I can say that in
>what has now just passed six years of (my) reading ABCP
>the 'critique' by antony@bigmama.all is maybe the third
>I have ever read on anyone's effort in filing a REQ.
>for "digitising".
>
True...
A little less "oh gee thanks" and then quietly tossing the result in
the bin and a little more constructive feedback to those who are just
digitising and not sewing the effort themselves would be good.
>I exclude the banter around Don's<res0y7ux> (and mine)
>little joke one Xmas past [attached].
><Don_MeriXmas.hus>
>
Luv it!!! May I borrow it?!! I have a Christmas card with someone's
name on it already..../laff
Just a few cosmetic changes to it first ... you understand.../grin
Oh... and stabilise... no underlay at all... /rolls eyes!
>About all I can say about the feedback offered by
>antony@bigmama.all is this "at least it was offered".
>I guess that is a start.
>
You think they were shocked at my candid response??
Eh... this was not entirely Herb's "mess".
He needs feedback. Up until now it has been decidedly lacking.
Good or "constructive".
I'm not looking to break His spirit. I am looking to point Him in the
right direction.
He obviously enjoys doing it. He will enjoy it so much more when He
understands a few more basics than "thanks Herb!".
/grin
>Your followup in explanation gave me some good clues on
>what not do in tackling large designs.
>
Oh... but wait... there's more!!!
/drags out steak knife set....
/sharpens slowly.... rofl
>So a huge thanks for that contribution.
>
>As always I myself welcome justified/informed
>critique :-)
>
pfffft.... yeah roight....
/mop to aisle 13... Lady has had an accident from laughing...
>>I wasn't criticising anyone's effort. Not Herb's. Not yours.
>>No! I wasn't!
>>
>I can read that but seeing as how we are both Aussies
>maybe it is a tad easier (to see). Still.... I doubt
>anything seen as "negative" is going to get airtime
>here (ABCP). Certainly in the past, getting a message
>of help through has proved it is easier to brick the
>camel then _SHOW_ it the water..!
>
Those that want to know will ask.
Herb asked. So I took up His invitation.
Doan like to see no one "struggling"... :->
Unlike some who like to pull the wings off flies...not mentioning any
names or pointing any fingers...
/snigger...
>Ten points for doing what you are obviously well
>qualified to do :-)
>
Not lookin' fer points. I can't be here all the time.
And I can't be sticking my nose in where it isn't welcome.
In this case, and that fsl bowl thing, a lot of thread is going to be
wasted before a good stitchout is achieved.
And those reading this take note. I don't know all the buttons on all
the programs.
All I can do is guide you in the result you are looking for.
Understanding _your_ program of choice is _your_ responsibility.
The basic rule of digitising is once you understand the rules of
"construction" then the rest is just a matter of finding the
button/setting that will deliver the result.
They all come with a Help file to help you when looking for the button
that returns x,y,z!
>>It would have been disappointing, (for all concerned) but Herb will
>>learn valuable tips from the experience and you will learn what to
>>look for in a design.
>>
>>I am trying to save people 100's of metres of thread sewing out
>>designs that are doomed to fail simply because people don't know what
>>to look for initially.
>
>/nodding
>62K of stitching is indeed a lot of time and material
>to throw out simply because one cannot use
>editing/viewing software.
>
Exactly. I doan have Organiser running on this box so couldun do a
metre check on exactly how much is used in the design, but add another
2/3's for the bobbinfil and you are lookin' at a LOT of thread.
I sewed 3 x 15K stitchouts (top speed) on the weekend and it took the
better part of 2 hours. That's still 21K stitches short of this one!
>>A few hooping clues were thrown in for free if one is determined to
>>have a crack at it regardless.
>>
>>Don't be sad. Be glad. Now you know some of the reasons that
>>contributed to the design failing.
>>Win/win.
>>
>And with the clues posted (now) on using Usenet the OP
>has to be overjoyed with the results of the experience..!
>
Herb mebbe... Bigmama.... mebbe not so much!
But, we'll get there.
>>Pixie :-))
>>
>>ps. You realise that was the fake Hopper in this thread? Yes?
>> "That" Hopper can't help you at all.
>> The real Hopper does not post using Teranews.
>> It's beneath Him.... /grin
>>
>TN is today a useless port for Usenet.. only suffered
>by those who have little choice in NSP :-<
>
>cheers
>
Interestingly, it is faster at this console than any of the paid ones
I have. It clocks double the speed, things arrive at the speed of
light in comparison to the other premium servers. Posting I haven't
tried in a couple of years from it. That was a pointless exercise. It
wouldun show up for days.
I'm not championing it as a choice server, but a hack backup for those
who know how to "jag it"... it's not so bad for short runs!
/ducks...
No, I wouldun post from it.
========
Anddddddd.... just for the fun of it...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:06:03 +1000, hopper
>Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com.invalid>wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:43:17 -0700, Herb <Herb@the.herb.garden> wrote:
>
>/snip
>
>>
>>Yeah, it's fine to be a newb. I love helping newbs (if I can)... but
>>they gotta understand what can and can't be done, within reason...
>>
>I agree.. and not within reason but point blank <g>
>
I hear a "but"...
>oH...
>..and a newb must stick with the program.. not "learn a
>bit" and "run off gleefully".. heh
>
"Jag it"... yer mean... /snigger...
Jaggin' it is not allowed in polite circles.
It's frowned upon.
I have always stuck with the program. Never deviated.
Not once.
"ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat"
Chew slowly.... /wipes the corner of yer mouf...
/titter...
>>Time to move on from the baby pool!!...
>>
>Call me a dreamer..
>
Ok... Dreamer... /laff
/delete obvious line that should be the followup.
I'ma good goil I yam.... hehehe.
>buuut IF the collective quality of
>digi work is lifted then we will get more peeps using
>the NG. The spin-off from that has to be a plus?
>
In a perfect woild...
>OTOH..
>I am kinda torn between being keen to see the group
>flourish and entertaining those who would demand of
>others free time in doing cottage work for commercial
>gain. Hopefully the group is mature enough to avoid the
>latter.
>
Yes... I remember your "torn"ness... /grin
Shoot first.... ask questions later...
Tis your way...
I think you will know when you are being taken for a ride.
Just remember, they can ask, you doan haveta do anything.
>>Remember that Handy Manny one you did... zoom in and have a geek at
>>Manny's... erm... manbit...
>>/tinkle...
>
>I musta missed that one.. bugger :->
>Filename??
>
Can't help ya on this pooter. That hdd is in a lunchbox waiting for
the other pooter to get a new processor.
Yer gun mate was the recipient.
/hold de bus... /toggles setchetary hat... more than one way to skin a
cat.... Lucky I ditched that male brain... never woulda found it
otherwise.../laff
Message-ID: <L8GJm.183098$Jp1.121839@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>
It showed up clearer on certain viewers. Handy dresses to His left, I
believe.... mehehe.
>/snip
>
>>>The design I posted actually DOES have underlay stitches. Artista puts
>>>them in automatically.
>>>
>>Nah... that's not underlay... that's just a few running stitches to
>>get the stitching starting and ending somewhere handy. /grin
>>If that is as good as the underlay setting for Artista is.... ? ...
>>/gulp
>>I'm sure it's not.
>>
>>>They may not be effective because the underlay
>>>stitches immediately precede their associated object - so the second
>>>object's underlay isn't laid down until the first object is completed.
>>>
>>Bit lost here. I would expect the colour being sewed, to sew some kind
>>of stabilising stitches, reflecting the density of the area to be
>>covered and then proceed to finish the overlay stitches.
>>Not following what you mean by "second object".
>>
>Going from memory (testing of Artista) I reckon what
>Herb is saying is correct, Artista does allow for
>underlay..
>
Wassun saying it diddun. I know it does!
The confusing bit is the first/second object bit. Underlay should
precede and be connected to the same "object"....
Man tok... /rolls eyes...
>BUT... but what happens is the grouping gets
>all shot in "auto mode" as the sequence jumps from one
>colour to another thereby screwing over the laying down
>of the underlay in one hit.. as you suggest in your
>earlier tip and as I now know must be done for the
>underlay to do its job.
>
Auto mode... /pttttui....
That is not digitising.... sowwy for the bad news today!
Learn construction first. Learn "why" you do a particular action.
Learn why you NEED to!
Then you can go play with the loser automode crap!
Yer a fan of Ikea and mock cream too???
/laff
>Dunno if I am on target with this (second object
>answer), it makes sense to me.. a man<g>
>
Of course it makes sense to you...
Never doubted you and Herb would be auto mode fans fer a second.
/laff
>/snip
>
>>>Hmm.. ready to design a flexible monitor screen?
>>>
>>Typical bloke... I have encountered this "thinking" before with blokes
>>and embroidery...
>>
>oH really..?.. I think Don is rattling the screws on
>the lid.. he wants to say something. I feel it..!
>
>[tunnels]
>maybe yall should take him under yall
>wings and explaine to him just what a good man
>is,many a time I told him but he dont listen
>[poof]
>
My Lord always did have some funny ideas.../grin
Diddun make Him any less lovable...
>I think that was Don waxing lyrical on men being held
>in esteem (?) by the women in this NG<g>
>
Yeah... Ladies doan like to sound like fishwives in public.
Buuuuuuuut, when you want a man to do something fer ya, you've got to
tell Him what you want - and be SPECIFIC!!
Men ain't good at guessing...
Sometimes you just have to jump out of your closet and tell it like it
is to get them to listen.... rofl
Scary as that is sometimes....
>/snip
>
>>/toggles back to Pixie IQ.... much better... rofl
>>Why do I now have an urge to burp and scratch odd places...?? Yeuw!
>>
> /pml
>
>oH lawd save us..!
>
>/crosses meselv
>
Hypocrite!!!.... /laff
Straight to Hell for that one!
>
>>It takes TIME!!! Lots of time...
>>
>/cue Sybil
>
>I know.
>I noes..
>
Nah... you doan!! You are just as big a fan of automation as Herb.
Gimme a vector, my Kingdom for a vector!... /snigger
>>It's a big ploy to part you from your dollars..../grin
>>I have noticed that the harder a program is to "master" the better the
>>results that can be achieved. But you have to learn which ones to
>>press or toggle.
>>
>... and find them in some obscure (nondescript) piece
>of real estate on a screen, a place where only a woman
>would look..!
>
>/ducks
>
Coward!
>Incoming..!
>
>/runs for the trenches
>
Doan you mean "limps"??
/snigger...
Heh... you are the Wilcom fan... never seen so many useless "man
buttons" in all my days...
It's only cos you's can't read, you's have to look for a picture on a
button....
Engarde!!
/SPL-->S
>/snip
>
>>Live and learn!
>>
>Excellent posting, Pixie.
>I snipped a lot but I also found a lot more insight..
>thanks.
>
I look forward to seeing the actual results of all this "insight".
We'll see just how much you is "insighted"...
/grin
>>> - Herb
>>
>>Have to run. Lunch date.
>>Pixie :-))
>>/polishes spikes... Hopper... yer next... /chortle...
>>
>
>Oi... steady up..!
>I am the perfect one..!
>
And I thought you were the "Chosen One"...
/chortle
My mistake!... as usual... :-D
>You going to send my halo into meltdown..!!!!??
>
That slipped and choked you years ago!
It's made a nice collar though...
Vewwy handy..... /tug... /walkies...
ROFL
> /rotflmao
>
>You enjoy your arvo.. I am having my "nanny nap"...
>
>cYa
>
Arvo was good. Did a little re-con for some shoes, bought Julie's
Masterchef cookbook.
Off to see if it has anything quick for dinner.
Pixie :-))
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