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From: Chakotay <chakotay2380@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.chakotay
Subject: Re: PING All Read this!
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:23:59 +0100
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Astraweb told me that someone reported me to them for posting of the
indian pics and they said they will pass on details to law enforcement
if requested, they also said they are investigating it or something. i
asked them who made the complaint but they wouldnt tell me who, even
if i went with a different provider i will still have the same
problem. I got the account reactivated after debating some sections of
the law about what defines child pornography, they accepted my
arguement backed up by facts of the law. there terms of condition
state that they cannot allow the posting of persons under the age of
18 weather clothed or unclothed on there servers.
On 12 Sep 2008 16:36:02 -0500, +Grant <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>In article <n95lc4d9rh1kn1c4a9tjpbq3viopnffuvu@4ax.com>, Chakotay
><chakotay2380@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, this is a posting to the person or persons who made a complaint
>> about the indian boy pictures that i recently posted, i've been in a
>> long conversation with astraweb all afternoon and someone from here
>> did complain about what i posted. So to them i say I've deleted all
>> material that could be deemed as illegal in some countries around the
>> world.
>>
>> A warning to others on here, its clear that this group is now being
>> watched by either law enforcement or individuals that just like to
>> report others. I would not recommend you post here anymore, as for me
>> i'm gone from this, I've been reading up on what is deemed as naturist
>> legal material and will be only hanging out in the dutch group from
>> now on as that stuff is legal.
>>
>> its not worth the risk as i have a good life and a great job that i
>> love :)
>>
>> bye all
>
>
>Is there something wrong with you? How many times do you have to be
>told not to post files with astraweb? And once you get canceled for it
>how stupid is it for you to get another account with them and post
>*anything* again through them? *Very*
>Why are you deliberately trying to hang yourself?
>
>I'll say again. Server people don't monitor groups. That don't have
>time to do that and don't want to and don't need to. There are trolls
>and activists and LEA who do more than enough of that and monitor ALL
>the groups even the ones you think they don't know about. Servers only
>look at files when they get complaints. Some servers cancel accounts
>without even looking. Trolls know astra cancels easily so they complain
>and it happens. *You* *let* it happen when you *choose* to post through
>astra *whichever* group you post in. They are laughing their pinheads
>off at you for being a fool and their eager victim. You make other BLs
>look like fools too for this.
>
>Common sense.
>LEA and activists monitor all these groups you can be sure of it. If a
>BL can find them so can professional investigators find all the BL
>groups. They aren't nearly as stupid as we like to think they are. No
>"secret" groups are immune from this. You can't run away and hide from
>them to continue posting. They are everywhere a fact of posting life.
>The obvious question is why doesn't LEA turn every poster in to their
>servers? Because its obvious they don't. People are still posting.
>Could be two reasons. They want us believe they are not watching and
>they want us to keep posting the evidence they can use against us and
>the people who download our posts so when people accidently expose
>their security they can find them. Could be they are waiting too for
>the power to make servers keep records about us. This means its the
>trolls and individual activists who are complaining to the servers
>about the posts purely to harass us.
>
>An original idea.
>If you want to find a better server for you to *post* with look at what
>the security conscious BLs and the trolls use to post with. They should
>know what servers don't let people abuse their complaint system
>shouldn't they? If the stupid trolls know it you just might be able to
>learn about it too.
>
>Better yet you should think about not posting if you are going to do it
>so foolishly. I think its sad people have to stop sharing because they
>don't know what they are doing and don't want to learn. It makes the
>whole usenet BL society less than we could be.
>If it looks like I'm angry your right! I'm a BL and I support all BLs
>in trouble and I hate it when we are made less in the only place
>(usenet) we can be together. *Please* wise up and get your act together
>for your sake and the sake of your fellow BLs.
>Who am I to say all this? Somebody who cares very much for all of us
>who is willing to make some BLs hate me for saying things too plainly
>if I have to.
>
>
>ps
>Publicly recommending specific servers for BLs to use is not a good
>thing anymore for two reasons. They might change what they do because
>of it and activists might target them to drop our groups like they did
>to EN.
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