HMS Victor Victorian <VictorVictorianREMOVE@hushmail.com> wrote in
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> On 11 Jul 2007 13:18:12 -0500, unkn <76636@m.xcom> wrote:
>
>>I rescued a couple of questions you made in one of your earlier posts
>>and over which I want to make some blood.
>>
>>you asked
>>
>>"Knowing the attitude of Western society regarding boylove and the
>>potential harm that may come to the boy from that attitude, does a
>>boylover then injure the child by the very act of intimacy?"
>>
>>And unfortunatelly, the answer, or at least my answer, is yes. The
>>direct responsability of this society that you call (well called
>>tyrannic, make indirect responsibles of us. Fucking unfair, isn't it.
>>Grotesquely unfair, considering how society talk about us. So I want
to
>>focus over another of your questions:
>>
>>"What responsibility does the boylover have towards his society and
its
>>moral values, if any?"
>>
>>Cause I obviously don't know the answer to this one, I'll just try to
>>comment what seem to have been the different positions in the groups
>>during the last months.
>>
>>One person who left the groups not many time ago defended that our
duty
>>as boylovers was to hit fiercely the pillars of this society and its
>>conceived moral. And he defended that it was necessary that we and our
>>children take certain risks to get all the rights that Occident, or
>>modern society, or Judeo-Christian society if you prefer, denied us.
The
>>fact that this point of view was actively offensive and to a great
>>extent dangerous doesn't mean that I didn't understand it, or even
share
>>it a little. Nop, I suppose I'll never be brave enought to take on a
>>idea like that, but it's true that somedays i think 'come, come,
nuclear
>>bomb', and that this world is so desperating that we should take the
>>weapons one of these days... and things like that.
>>
>>You also watched Dudewiththehair to wave that sentence that seems to
>>have become his flag. "The boys first" he said. I admit that this is a
>>nice reflection. But I wonder, is the same nice than right? I mean, is
>>not maybe a triumph of the 'common moral' if we set the boys
necessities
>>above ours? Is not a way to yield to the outside pressure? Don't
>>misunderstand me, i know that boys are often more helpless and
>>necessitous than we are but "If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you
>>tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?". Can't
we
>>be equal than boys? Or is this a crazy idea? I don't know. Anyway, it
>>seems that this resolution is the more similar to the truce (or future
>>truce) we can pursue. And for this reason it's my favourite.
>>
>>The poster called lipschitz seems to be very happy feeling atraction
to
>>minors but not taking any action about it. He forgot to say, I guess,
>>that he probably think that the relationships between adults and
minors
>>are nasty, or outrageous or impure. I'm sorry to say, and maybe
disquiet
>>some lea, that this is the only point of view that make me wanna throw
>>up. It's so sensible, and loyal, and coward all at the same place... I
>>really don't want to bend my arm in such a way.
>>
>>Anyway, as a epilogue, I have to say that society and LEA have now
>>exactly what they want of us. We are in the 2007 no more than a bunch
of
>>disorganized people, many of us lurkers who will hide forever, and
>>others, the self-proclaimed aristocracy of the bl usenet society (you
>>know, the people with -lol- badges) who seem a little snob for my
taste.
>>I really don't see much hope. But well, this is just my opinion :P
>>
>>
>>best regards
>
>
> I shall be more brief here, as it is getting very late and I've got to
> be up in two hours.
>
> Because society proclaims one thing right or one thing wrong does not
> make it so, even if the consensus is overwhelming. Values once held
> as sacred in societies have been overturned throughout the ages.
>
> Using rape as a legitimate weapon of war, once widely accepted, is now
> reviled.
>
> Viewing women and children as chattel, once the norm, is now seen as
> barbaric.
>
> Human slavery, so deeply ingrained and so fervently defended for all
> economic, social and moral reasons in the United States, is now an
> inconceivable evil.
>
> Given the humiliation, persecution and prejudice that boylovers and
> the boys themselves suffer at the hands of modern society, I say this,
> too, must be overturned and at last will be, unless we as modern
> peoples wish to turn the clock back. Unfortunately, there is evidence
> that this is actually happening, for a conservative refuge is the
> enemy of progress.
>
> Lastly, there are organizations that represent the interest of
> boylovers and have lobbied to overturn the more draconian laws on the
> books. It is also understood that fighting such mindless outrage over
> boylove is very dangerous, akin to an American negro man in 1920's
> Mississippi daring to whistle in public at a white lady. That was,
> then, an offense punishable by lynching.
>
> Now, of course, such a vile act is inconceivable. So you see, there
> is some hope.
>
> Oh, and please do NOT vomit on the gallery floor. I'm in enough
> trouble already, I fear.
> God Save Her Majesty the Queen.
> God Preserve the Prince of Wales.
> Rule Britannia!
>
I understand very well your way of thinking, but my heart runs faster
now and I have to differ. I guess I escaped a long time ago of the claws
of what you call society or education and its sick guilt, but not of the
captivity that this same society bring over us. I can't accept it. My
shouts and cries will exist as long as I don't find a better way to
combat. Your measured reasoning is something that I accepted before,
nevertheless, during unquiet stages of my life like this one, being
restless and feeling often miserable, I reserve the right to be angry
and refuse the system. Even if this is just a mere demonstration of
frustration, or even if it's putting myself in danger, I prefer to keep
going with it. It'd be worst for me to feel like no more than a
spectator of my life.
About defeating society and make a way through its constrainer moral I
could say something. Not fighting can be a wonderful choice, if you feel
ok about it, I know. But when you don't feel good about it, when you
feel that other people is making the choices for you, then something
breaks in people like me, who are maybe a little arrogant. And if I
don't find a way to defy this, if I don't find the valor to challenge, I
can assure you that it feels like a dagger making its way to the heart.
Maybe I don't have nothing better than cries and shouts now, but i also
have hopes and expectatives. I recognise my actual lack of valor, but
even if I'm doomed to receive a mortal stab by the dagger I mentioned
before, I'm decided to discover it someday.
I think I know the person who told you to be alert. This person maybe
know the risks of the law, but it doesn't seem to me that he knows how
much hurts this degradation I consider to suffer. Btw, excuse my
english, I would like to use some expressions of my own language but I
don't find a correct translation, so please fill my faults with your
imagination.
Well, all the preceding are no more than words in the wind, with a
major or minor acceptation. I don't want to persuade anyone and I
consider that taking risks is a personal prerogative. But what I do want
is to make this question: if we are sane people, perfectly qualified to
distinguish the good and the evil, is not our right to demand the
absolut freedom in our lives, like many other people enjoy now? and if
yes, is not our duty to fight for it, as far as possible, instead of
surrender to the exigencies and restrictions of this.. world? Yeah, i
know what many lea and moral advocates could think about it, that our
personal freedom is a direct attack to the freedom of the children. His
freedom I said?, no, a mistake, I meaned his dignity. Dignity,
forgodshake, what a bunch of hypocrites, they prefer to watch the kids
starved, drugged, fighting (or bullfighting), armed or paranoid before
loving an adult. Such is the cruelty about the human dignity, when it's
conceived by this big fat brain called civilization. Anyway, we don't
fight for the love of unprivileged children, but for the love of anyone
who can be responsible of his own emotions. And so the lances are
raised. I also have hopes like you that in the future everything will be
different, but, you know, waiting can be terrible.
excuse my vehemence, I really don't have a better way to express myself
best regards
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