On 06/10/2014 06:14, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2014-10-05 10:51:44 +0000, Ramsman <nospam@nowhere.com> said:
>
>> On 04/10/2014 23:10, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2014-10-04 20:17:12 +0000, John Szalay <john.szalay.at.att.net> said:
>>>
>>>> Orval Fairbairn <orfairbairn@earthlink.net> wrote in news:orfairbairn-
>>>> 983065.13452804102014@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsA3BC4B3B5113noemailattnet@216.196.121.131>,
>>>>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> begin 644 Lockheed P-38L.jpg
>>>>>> [Image]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> end
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless it is the Red Bull P-38, the lower cowls look like they
>>>>> belong on
>>>>> a much earlier model P-38.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking the same thing, has more the intake of the F model
>>>> such as Glacier Girl.
>>>> IF it is the red Bull, P-38, its before they got their hands on it.and
>>>> still belonged to Lefty Gardner
>>>> the intakes on the top of booms are the old configuration, Red Bull
>>>> changed
>>>> to the long intakes after the "crash" and rebuild..
>>>
>>> Yup! That looks nothing like the P-38L with the pronounced nacelle
>>> "chin" and the exposed turbo superchargers out on the booms.
>>>
>>> This is a P-38L:
>>>
>>>
>>> ...and so is this;
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The subject of the Red Bull P-38L (for that's what it is, see the last
>> part of the thread) was covered in rec.aviation.military three years ago:
>>
>> **********
>> On 27/08/2011 10:18, Savageduck wrote:
>> > On 2011-08-27 01:33:04 -0700, D. St-Sanvain
>> > <d.520.before@flight.online.fr> said:
>> >
>> >> Savageduck a écrit dans
>> >> <news:2011082700122978840-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> :
>> >>> On 2011-08-26 23:23:57 -0700, d.520.before@flight.online.fr (D.
>> >>> St-Sanvain) said:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <image>
>> >>>
>> >>> Regardless of what they might claim, that is no P-38L.
>> >>>
>> >>> That Red Bull P-38 has the small, swept back "Lightning MkI & MkII"
>> >>> through to P-38G nacelle chin vents. Also there are no
>> >>> turbo-superchargers.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is a P-38L. Note the larger nacelle chin vents;
>> >>
>> >> Well... the serial number makes her a L, the external view doesn't.
>> >> She was used as a racer, and eventually underwent some modifications,
>> >> which may lead to an (X)P-38 (something) designation...
>> >> Same questions are asked about Zero modified T-6's...
>> >> Some even refer to her as a F-5 G !
>> >
>> > I remember her as Lefty Gardner's "White Lightning". The RB guys did
>> > this great restoration after a crash which should have written her
>> off.
>> > I suspect there have been a lot of salvaged parts integrated.
>> > I just can't imagine an "L" without turbo-superchargers exposed on the
>> > booms, or the inter-coolers to go with the large chin vents.
>> >
>> > I just wonder when and why she was deprived of her distinctive "L"
>> > appearance.
>> >
>>
>> There's an item about the Red Bulls fleet in the September edition of
>> Aircraft magazine.
>>
>> It says that N25Y was built as an F-5G, 44-53254. Sold To Lilee
>> Products in Chicago in 1946 as NX25Y. Started racing when owned by
>> J.D. Reed of Houston, and Charlie Walling flew it into 2nd place in
>> the stock race at Miami in 1947. Camera nose removed and other mods,
>> and named Sky Ranger. Two more owners, Hugh Wells and Vernon Thorpe,
>> before passing to Lefty Gardner. He painted it R/W/B and called it
>> White Lightnin'. It had an engine fire in 25 June 2001 and made a
>> belly landing in a field at Greenwood, MS. Sold to the Flying Bulls in
>> January 2005.
>
> So it isn't an actual P-38L, it is a reworked P-38G.
>
No, it isn't. See below.
>> I did read somewhere about the removal of the turbosuperchargers and
>> the reshaping of the nacelles, but I can't remember where. I also
>> thought when I first saw it that it couldn't be an L model, but it
>> seems that officially it is.
>
> Even though it was built as a "G"?
>
No, it wasn't. See below.
> I guess they can call it whatever they want even though it has no
> resemblance to an "L".
>
> The "G" lacked many innovations of the "J" & "L" such as aileron boost.
> As my father said about the "J" & "L" when they first became operational
> to replace the tired & worn "E's", "F's", & "G's", "it was as if they
> had fitted power steering." He flew "G's", "J's" & "L's" from 1942 to
> 1945 with a few months in 1943 when all of the "G's" in the SouthWest
> Pacific were battle worn and not serviceable, then he was in a P-47D
> until the "J's" & "L's" were delivered.
> Here is is in a P-36L in New Guinea:
>
>
>
>
> The most conspicuous clue that there isn't much "L" in those booms, is
> the "chinless" nacelle.
>
Appearances can be deceptive, as it was converted to its Sky Ranger
configuration. See above.
>> Great to see a P-38 again at Duxford.
>
> It's great to see a P-38 of any type anywhere now that there are only 6
> airworthy and flying.
>
> Anyway, here P-38F "Glacier Girl" with the same chinless nacelle as the
> RedBull P-38.
>
>
> ...and the obvious signature chinned nacelle of one of the other flying
> P-38L's, "Honey Bunny".
>
>
>
>
Sorry to take so long to respond, I've been busy.
The F-5G was a conversion of the P-38L and had no connection with the
P-38G, in other words the G-series F-5 had nothing to do with the
G-series P-38.
For the record, here are the basic relationships between the P-38 and
F-5 & 5, without going into detail:
F-4 P-38E
F-5A P-38G
F-5B P-38J
F-5C P-38H
F-5E P-38J
F-5F P-38L
F-5G P-38L
44-53254 was in the P-38L-5-LO production batch. I can't tell with the
information I have to hand whether it was built as a P-38L and converted
to an F-5G or was built as an F-5G on the line.
--
Peter
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