mamaT <mamaT@dunno.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:01:23 +0100, memories <meow@meowww.org> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:04:07 +1000,
>>Disorganized: Learner-FileFiddler hopper <Troll5layer@home.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> mamaT <mamaT@dunno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:23:02 +1000, hopper
>>>><Troll5layer@on.de.road.invalid> wrote:
>>>><<Snip>>
>>[..]
>>>>I am using Agent 5.00/32.1171 and WinRAR
>>>>3.62. They are working fine for me (as far as I can tell) but am
>>>>wondering if it would be to my advantage to switch to the releases you
>>>>have included with the tools? What might the differences be for me?
>>>>Thanks =-)
>>>>
>>>Ok.. first things first.
>>>That <agent.ini> file is of no use to you MamaT.
>>>
>>Your doctored 'agent.ini' file is spyware. Period!
>>
>>You use "Forte Agent's" Global Search Function to spy on posters.
>>Why would someone do that?
>I have stayed out of this debate and definitely don't want to be
>involved now but.... I have read most of the posts that banter back
>and forth because I am one that likes to hear/read both sides and then
>come to an educated decision of my own. My question for you memories
>is exactly what you ask above.... "Why would someone do that"? I
>believe from your posts that your theory is hopper does it to track
>users. You believe he does this to "narc" the posters out? To turn
>them(the posters) in to the "owners" of the designs posted here? That
>doesn't make sense to me because hopper himself has posted things
>here, wouldn't that be slitting his own throat? I do not however see
>any contributions made by yourself, please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>>>It is only good for the version of Agent included in the post.
>>>The <agent.exe> and the <agent.ini> are there so as to get everyone on the
>>>same page when help is _needed_.. just to get going.
>>No need to replace the original. Period!
>>>When newbs have the basics, then it is encouraged they
>>>"do their own thing".
>>Smart people start here: http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
>>
>>>
>>>And that is what the <agent.ini> file is about. Where we have folks who do
>>>not have English as a first language or folks who can run Word and Paintshop
>>>like a Pro but have never setup a Usenet client, nor know _anything_ about
>>>installing programs and configuring them.. those folks, they are the ones
>>>the <agent.ini> file is delivered for.. a kinda "lock and load" scenario.
>>>Three easy steps kind of thing.
>>
>>Phlatarse Puppets Only
>>==============
>>>1. Run the exe as an install.
>>>2. Replace the <agent.ini> file with doctored spyware version.
>>>3. Add your user name and server details
>>>
>>>..and start narc testing.
>>
>>'agent.ini' spyware in action.
>>=================
>>
>>By doing a "Global Search" of Fields:
>>
>>Organization: LearnerDriver <---------------- Poster is tracked here.
>><AND>
>>Reply-To: none@net.invalid <---------------- Poster is tracked here.
>>
>>These Fields will appear in your posts.
>I took your advice and did this search. The only 2 posters that
>showed up were littlemissme and InternetChick. I also noticed that
>LMM has since changed her organization, quite a simple thing to do. I
>also noticed she is still here posting so I'm assuming her computer
>has yet to blow up. It doesn't stand to reason with me that hopper
>would have gone through all that trouble to track only a couple
>posters. His changing the ini file does however seem very logical to
>me. If someone comes to the US from another country and wants
>services from our country we would expect them to learn our language,
>yes? If on the other hand, they refused to learn it so they had no
>means of communication with our providers, would the providers finally
>stop trying to assist them and feel as though they were banging their
>head against a brick wall? I have seen hopper take the time to help
>many people (including myself), him changing the ini file helps the
>new user speak the same "language" as the (help) provider, hence
>making the task at hand, whatever it may be, MUCH easier for both
>ends.
>This is just my take on things after reading all of the posts, not
>trying to convince you of a thing only giving you some food for
>thought maybe?
>>
>>Phlatarse aka <hopper/Pixie> can then see you have installed his
>>doctored files. And begin tracking you.
>Just curious... is there a reason that hopper and pixie may be the
>same person? I personally don't believe they are, I see too many
>differences in the way they express themselves and the words they use.
>But even if they are... does it really matter?
>
>>
>>Example below of phlatarse's doctored <agent.ini> file in action.
>>
>>///////////////////////////// EXAMPLE ONLY \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>>
>>From: mamaToHopper <mamaT@phlatarse.puppet.com>
>>X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652
>>Newsgroups: alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
>>Subject: I confess: I'm a phlatarse puppet posting to lure suckers to
>>install the doctored "agent.ini" file.
>>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:23:24 -0800
>>Organization: LearnerDriver <-----------------Poster is tracked here.
>>Reply-To: none@net.invalid <-----------------Poster is tracked here.
>>Message-ID: <example@4ax.com>
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>Lines: 6754
>>
>>///////////////////////////// EXAMPLE ONLY \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>I'm not certain of other versions but with my version I can change
>these with a few simple clicks. As you can see my former posts had
>nothing there, and now they have info there. If it's a "forced" field
>in some versions what a better email addy to put than none@net.invalid
>even a new user would see that it was a NON working email.
>
>Please understand I am not trying to start an argument here. I'm only
>expressing my thoughts. With all of the chaos and term oil in the
>world today shouldn't we all have a quiet, peaceful place to land?
>Even if it is just a group on the internet concerning embroidery. My
>grammie always told me I would catch a lot more fly's with honey than
>I would with vinegar! The name calling and accusations really don't
>help a single soul. When I first came here I had no idea who was a
>"troll" and who was safe to listen to. I took my time reading and
>soaking it all in. I doubt most people do that, so the bantering just
>creates even more confusion for them. If it bothers you so much that
>hopper has "doctored the ini" file then take the time to create
>tutorials of your own, then the new user can decide for them self
>which version of what they choose to use. I myself agree with
>Niemand, I seem to get large posts quicker with Newsbin so that's what
>I continue to use. I did however want to be a part of this particular
>community so I needed to learn the "language" spoken here (Agent). And
>I do have to say it's MUCH easier to use than Newsbin when it comes to
>reading posts! I'll get off my soapbox now (never meant to get on
>it)! Just hoping that some of the drama might calm down and we can
>all share and play nice :-D
I myself have written many a post transmitting essentially the
same message, MamaT. I do know what it is like to get absolutely
no acknowledgement for the work done.. and to build this post you have
to have done lots of reading.
So my followup is there simply to say.. excellent post.
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