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From: hopper <Troll5layer@home.invalid>
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:37:31 +0930
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:07:34 -0500, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures Dennis <dennis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:56:52 +0930, hopper <Troll5layer@home.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:28:32 GMT, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures Holligan@pompies.ky wrote:
>>
>>>Can someone re-send the OOP OESD files if possible. I have the same problem
>>>as the other respondents.
>>>I have downloaded them twice and cannot open them wiith any program. I have
>>>done this hundreds of times in the past but this one has me stumped.
>>>I keep getting a corrupted file message (both from my newsreader and when I
>>>attempt it in 4 other unzip and rar programs.)
>>>In spite of them not being properly enumerated rar files, the Combiner/
>>>Joiner still cannot join them for some reason.
>>>Thanks
>>
>>Hi,, I am coming in late on this one, and
>>sighing.. beg my pardon.
>>There are tutorials posted on this topic
>>and if those having problems both posting
>>and downloading actually read that advice
>>the need to individually write the advice up
>>again on each and every occasion would not
>>be needed as the questions would not be asked.
>>
>>When confronted with a problem one should
>>recognise that it is not always _you_.
>>Others will be having the same problem and
>>have experienced it since uploading and
>>downloading binary began.
>>There is why universal advice is written and posted.
>>
>>To the problem at hand.
>>The article numbering for some of Dennis's
>>posts is all over the shop. Why this is I wont get
>>into.. but Dennis would be well advised to read up
>>on how he is queuing his files before posting.
>>And then run some test posts in a test group.
>>Dennis is posting through GN so those
>>on GN will see exactly what he posted. Because
>>of the article numbering others could see any
>>variation of whatever.
>>
>>So.. how does this help you, Holligan?
>>It tells you that any downloading software that
>>automatically joins articles together is going to have
>>a problem with files posted the way Dennis's are.
>>To get a successful retrieval your software has
>>to be able to be made to select each article in
>>sequential order. A _manual_ operation.
>>As MamaT has already said, Agent enables this
>>function of manual handling.. buuuut
>>even then when doing "Join" you have to eyeball
>>the list and adjust the order, yourself.
>>AND
>>As "niemand" has said, when posts are greater than
>>20 or so articles this job becomes very tedious, and the
>>eyes tire. It is often easier just to redownload the whole
>>thing again.
>>Unfortunately , as you have found, this will not fix all
>>series of posts.
>>
>>So.. if you are looking at the
>>"OESD Out Of Production pack PDFs"
>>post, you will then have to manually check the sequential
>>order and download those missing articles. If some are
>>doubled up then you have to delete the doubles.
>>No small job when 473 articles are listed.
>>That post is OBZ [one big zip].. so no way would I
>>waste a minute even looking at it.
>>If you are looking at the "OESD 11153 Mirror Magic 2 [G].rar"
>>type posts then you have to manually order each pack and
>>join them as sets.
>>Again, a very tedious job, but necessary when the listing is
>>as it is.
>>With either of the above nobody is going to get a clean
>>run using "click n go" for automatic retrieval.
>>
>>For what it is worth, this problem occurs regularly with new
>>posters and is the direct result of downloaders
>>(and posters checking their work) only ever seeing the total
>>line count for the whole post -- not having the view set to
>>show each article.
>>So as to be very clear on what I am attempting to
>>communicate I attach a screencap of the
>>"OESD 11153 Mirror Magic 2 [G].rar" type posting.
>>
>>The yENC problem mentioned earlier is something else
>>and unfortunately something I just do not have time to
>>address at the moment.
>>Posting regimes are written in fine detail in the tutorials posted.
>>Follow those and you will not get these problems. That simple.
>>
>I am not a new poster.
I disagree, but you get that when work is reviewed.
>SORRY for the uproar.. and YES I have read the
>general uplaoding advice numerous times and have applied it over and
>over through the months.
>
I have downloaded some of your posts, and again, I disagree.
There are several aspects of your posting which are not conducive
to "good posts" but frankly I have had the debate that many times
(and in this group) I no longer have the time nor patience to go
through the "faults" step by step.
>I can't win for lose. people have problems
>with them being split into smaller chunks for various servers (too
>many chunks to join.), complain about being too big and can't get the
>attachments from their provider, complain about how the attachments
>are packaged (zip or rar), complain about how the attachments are
>handled in the format (MIME, UUencoded or yEnc). I am not being
>ungratefull,
>
People will complain the minute they cannot get what they want.
You have learnt that, yes?
So the solution is in working out what format gives them that.
I have done this, so have many others, you have yet to achieve that.
A tip for you is to be careful who you listen to.
In this group there are many who have no idea of what they download.
They just posts "thanks" to be polite.This helps nobody.
>BUT don't slam me for applying the advise I was given to
>help make my uploads universal.
No one is "slamming you", comment is made, help is given.
Read it which way you like.. that is what is happening.
>Bottom line is that lately (only the
>past 30 days) I can not uplaod ANYTHING that is over 500 kb without
>SOMEONE complaining about it, for what ever reason.
>
You will find when you read the tutorials that ~350 is the optimum.
Some servers will accept up to 1MB but all you need is one person
not to get what they want and you have trouble.
Good posting is about avoiding that.
I post an example I prepared earlier.
>Any more advise to help solve it?
Check what I posted and compare it to your posts.
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