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From: Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com>
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Subject: Re: To hopper
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:48:39 +1000
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:31:57 +0930, hopper <bak@home.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:33:48 +1000, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
>Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:52:54 +0930, hopper <bak@home.invalid> begged
>>for a light to be shone on the den of darkness:
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:02:32 GMT,
>>>in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures hm@sapinho.com wrote:
>>>
...
>You said "Clear as mud":
>
>So I take the liberty of asking:
>
>What I got so far is Hummel is like "photo realistic"
>requiring the builder to not just have an artistic flair but
>also the sewing ability to determine where stops are
>in a design.. just to build a colour chart.
>
Not quite sure where you are heading with "photo realistic", but
Hummels are "olde worlde" type figures. Requiring a specific colour
palette if one is determined to remain true to the mark. As a simile,
you don't use Picasso colours in a tranquil Monet. Hummels are very
"bland", reflecting an "olde worlde" feel.
Euro rustic if you like.
If one is a bit colour challenged, confidently reflecting this
"blandness" for a country feel would be a challenge.
I wasn't inferring that HM was asking the impossible, I just meant
that without knowing what Mettler actually chose to start with,
anything anyone tried to do to help would only be a quess.
Stops will be in the design at each different colour regardless -- so
long as -- no one had their software set to combine sequential colours
that are the same (two sequential red etc). This I have noticed in
some software and it is bloody annoying! Hus software requires you to
manually press buttons to do it, it is not a default. I have seen it
as a default in other software and sat wondering why my 20 colours
suddenly became 15.
If the original colourchart (as distributed by the digitiser) is not
available, then "home made colour charts" can only be determined by
what one has to look at --> the posted sewing file.
If these sewing files have been 'tampered" with - either by extension
change or colour palette change, then Mettler thread changes are no
longer seen.
As another thought, most in here would be able to call up the file on
the computer and refer to it whilst they sewed. Most, not all.
As long as one wanted to choose their own colours, no chart would be
needed.
>those colours have to nominate the suppliers
>colour number the colour chart builder selected?
>Is this even half right?
>
Yessums. Original colouring was requested in this case. In this case,
"helpful" wouldn't have been enough. "Original" was needed.
Some (and very few) digitisers offer thread number alternatives for
the more popular brands of thread.
This is becoming less and less common as digitisers align themselves
with a particular brand.
HM wanted Mettler, and as it turns out, the designs were originally
digitised in Mettler. To help HM with a "home made" chart, you would
have to know what the colours originally were.
With the designs that were posted, guessing would have been as close
as anyone would have got.
>Then we have "straight" (primary colours) designs
>which could be converted "on the fly".
>Or does one have to have sewing skills with those too,
>to know where stops should be?
>
Don't think of the colours in terms of "stops".
All software will interpret the colour change as a "stop", as long as
it hasn't combined sequential same colours. Viking software is the
only software to interpret "pause" as far as I'm aware.
The problem with Hummels is maintaining the "integrity" of the
Hummel's colour heritage. They are not meant to be sewn in bright or
outlandish colours. Whilst I'm not fond of the colours that they are
in their original state either, I am aware of the rustic atmosphere
the digitiser wanted them to reflect.
>And, thirdly, when doing manual punch.. both
>"systems" have to be considered before punching
>a vector graphic into a design format or even
>selecting a graphic!
>
Yessums, if you want to remain true to a particular colour palette.
Not so much selecting the graphic, as you should be able to choose the
colours you want anyway.
You would have to post the original colour palette, with colours how
you intended them to be, because even after one extension change, the
files could be any colour.
Eg. You create a design using Mettler palette. I open it in VIP
software. VIP has no Mettler palette (I just looked) so I go with the
Sulky default... doesn't look too much like your original I am
guessing.
If I convert an original design, say from .ART to .VIP, and I wanted
to keep the original colours as set by the digitiser, I have to choose
the thread palette the design was digitised in. Otherwise my thread
palette will just use my default (in my case Sulky) and alter the
colours to the closest it can. If I don't know what thread palette the
designer chose, then I am flying blind if I wanted "originality".
>Kind of like Pro Hart on the left side of the skull and
>Jean Paul Gaultier on the right !!
>Am I even getting close to gathering information
>from your post?
>
If you mean "is there more to displaying sewing files than I first
thought"?..... then yes!
Home made charts are helpful. But, as some still require "integrity",
it won't help when one doggedly wants the colours the original
digitiser chose.
I will bet that very few abcp consumers see the same thing when they
open a sewing file.
Artista/3D/4D/VIP/Embird/Buzz/Wilcom/Generations..... all look at the
file with subtle differences. The major difference being the
interpretation of colour. This can be manually changed, but personal
preferences will prevent this from becoming a standard.
Remember the observation of changing a file to .hus using the programs
VIP, Wilcom and Artista?? (We did this exercise in a different forum)
and rared each to see why/how they differed?. Same file, saved as .hus
in 3 different programs. Each different program saved the file in 3
different ways. Each rared in 3 different sizes.
Each still saved as .hus, but each had subtle differences. The
differences being noted because of the way each program "interpreted"
the file.
>And then, then.. what does one do about this..?
>
Try to keep the original paperwork when obtaining the files online as
someone ALWAYS wants to follow the original instructions!! /grin
Even the digitisers offer the design in many different file formats.
You will notice each format is subtley different in colour.
>You say on your machine the work is labourious.
>So just how the freckle does anyone get on sewing
>out the myriad of designs posted here (ABCP) with no CCs !!
>
It's a gift........./laff
I can also make my computer do what I want.... meheheh.
Some people can "see" how the colours will look in their head.
It helps to line up the colours and see how they "blend", but in the
end - it's an ability to "see" the design in your head.
I have a friend who cannot do this. She needs help with colour choice,
she is not confident to do it on her own.
It's not that she is dumb, she just can't "project" the image she
wants to achieve.
She is very much "see --> do". A Visual, if you like. She can
replicate anything she likes the look of. She just needs to see it
first.
We all learn differently.
One must assess the Student's needs......
(gee, I remember beating someone up about that eons ago.../laff)
>As to actually building ones own designs,
>what then is a solution here.. choose one default thread
>system and punch all your designs around that base?
>
Designers already do that. They all have their favourite thread
palettes.
Everyone in here has their favourites and will just change it to suit
themselves if they know how --> originality gone -->poof!
>Or produce the same design using say three or four
>popular thread suppliers?
>Copy 1 Sulky
>Copy 2 Isacord
>Copy 3 Floriani
>Copy 4 Mettler
>?
>?
>
They will get messed up the first time someone converts them in a
different colour palette and hits save.
>And, next question.. who determines what is popular?
>The puncher, the thread supplier or the sewer?
>
Depends on what order you think in!
Thread suppliers pander to the buyer. That is their income. They also
pander to seasonal colour palettes. Rather like the rag trade. Each
year red/blue/pink/purple is the new black!
The designer is the loose cannon. Jenny Haskins got her thread
supplier to make her her own box of colours. You can buy a box of
"Jenny Haskins Colours". She works mostly in shades of purples, pinks
and greens. Thread suppliers realised these as her "signature" colours
and created a box of colours so her customers could just buy the box
instead of trying to track down the individual spools themselves.
Myself, I choose thread integrity over colour. I only use one thread
brand, it's strong and worthy of the beating I give it. I am just
lucky their colour selection is vast and I don't need a colour chart
to follow to choose my own colours. I like what I like and I can't
remember the last time I looked at a colour chart. I just open my
thread drawers (sorted like the rainbow) and just pull out what I
want.
I do swap colours myself in my editing program, depending on my colour
needs of the moment. Not all kids want a pink fairy dress, as I
discovered, so flexibility is the key!
>Apols for the delay (and being distracted by your fanboi)
>
Naye..... I think he is YOUR fanboi!! /laff... he is just a little
unsure as to whom he is talking to at any given time...../grin
>but things got kind of busy around here yesterday ;-)
>
Hope they have calmed down today. Must have been a bad day all round.
Hope you all get home safely.
In a nutshell??
No, we can't make a "standard" thread palette for all to follow. It's
just not possible/practical. Everyone likes what they like. They may
just have to learn how to make it want they want once they get it, if
it is not the colours they want.
We have a hard enough time stopping them talking to strangers!! Get
real!
When someone asks for "original" colour palette, they are usually
asking if anyone has the colours as set out by the Digitiser who first
created it. So they can follow that instead of trying to recreate it
themselves.
Pixie :-)
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