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On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:33:48 +1000, in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
Pixie <Pixie@AnnWheatley.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:52:54 +0930, hopper <bak@home.invalid> begged
>for a light to be shone on the den of darkness:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:02:32 GMT,
>>in alt.binaries.crafts.pictures hm@sapinho.com wrote:
>>
>>>"See the color , pick the thread.. it is that easy.. or no?" you wrote...
>>>My answer:
>>>No. I can do that with other designs! And I do it many, many times. Not for
>>>Hummel's. I can't do that!
>>
>>I am asking as (if it is not obvious) I build color
>>charts where they are missing from design packs.
>>I need to know if this is the correct way forward as
>>it does take a lot of (my) time to do the job/task.
>>
>Appreciated. Very much so.
>And the masses make do with what they are given.
>I think this is just a case of some not understanding what is involved
>in changing thread brands.
>This one needs SES type hand holding!
>
>The Hummels are colour intensive.
>Remember those Godey Victorian Ladies that everyone
>was asking for the colour charts? You created the colour chart, but
>it was really only the points of colour change. Kind of like DST
>colours, all over the place. Imagination and patience was also needed
>on the Ladies' behalf to decide what colours THEY wanted them to be.
>They were given colour change points, it was up to them what colour
>they wanted them to be.
>
>Unless one has a good sense of colour PLUS a good editing
>program with all the thread palettes (4D/Artista or any of the Bigger
>names), being able to "imagine" the colour in the correct place is a
>little bit difficult... not impossible, but difficult.
>Also, Mettler palette is requested. That's a big ask if Mettler is not
>on your auto palette. In that the colour palette would have to be
>transposed from the designer's palette, if Mettler wasn't the original
>choice. This would have to be done MANUALLY as skintone is a matter of
>personal choice... blue dress v purple dress.... etc.....etc.
>
>Has anyone noticed that with a lot of Sue Box's early fairies, that if
>you want a blue dressed fairy, she will also have blue cheeks??
>I spent an afternoon fixing that anomaly..... sorry Sue, but I didn't
>want a blue cheeked fairy. The blue would just jump out of the dress,
>into the cheek and then back to the dress...../grrrrrr.....
>Not everyone wants a pink dressed fairy ALL the time!
>Saw it before I sewed it, thankfully.
>Everything takes time, being the lesson.
>
>There is NO AUTOMATICALLY changing the colours to suit everyone's
>taste.
>
>If this was me and I was desperate for the colours in Mettler.
>I would open the design in a program that allowed me to choose Mettler
>threads. I would then proceed to change (and save as I went) all the
>colours to Mettler. This would take a little time, but if I wanted
>Mettler, then that is what I would have to do. Print the colour chart
>when I am happy with the Mettler colours I chose. Save file. DO NOT
>save the file with another colour palette as the default or you will
>lose it again!
>It would mean choosing colours that blended using Mettler.
>Not everyone knows what the two skintone colours in Mettler numbers
>are. You have to see it and find it pleasing.
>
>Asking for ANY design in ANY colour palette is a very personal choice.
>The designers set what colours they choose, but after everyone in here
>has changed their file extensions a million times, originality is
>lost.
>
>It would be a laborious exercise. But worth it to the one who wanted
>it. Usually the one who wants it has to do it.
>My colour palette is set to display Sulky colours. It's just the
>default. It wouldn't matter if the file arrived in Mettler colours, it
>would still default to Sulky, I would have to manually change it. Even
>in this scenario, the change would be the colours that Mettler and
>Sulky agree are similar colours. They aren't ALWAYS so similar....
>Regardless of what anyone thinks, the big companies don't all sit down
>to afternoon tea and decide to make all their colours interchangeable
>with each other's brands....!!
>
>That is why there are so many different colour versions of each set of
>files. Each person (when they know how) converts them to the
>colour/extension that they need. Once they have been converted to DST
>they are totally screwed over for the masses in general and you have
>to start again with skintones etc.
>
>I am assuming HM uses Mettler, (am only assuming Herself has a variety
>on hand to choose from). Set out the actual reels of thread in order
>of sewing on the table, guided by the printout. Lined up, one will see
>how they blend together. One can see at least two skin tones are
>required. Be guided by one's own colour sense.
>Desperation breeds action HM!
>
>>You do see it is pointless to build advice that is of
>>no use to sewers?
>>
>A degree of bravery is needed, tis all.
>HM is not confident of Her own ability to choose.
>She only needs to take a deep breath, think about what she wants, and
>plunge in with the tools she has.
>
>>What is it about Hummels that make the choice of
>>color -- to the extent of needing a Hummel
>>number - that is so different?
>>
>Nothing. Complexity is overwhelming Her.
>She just needs to think outside the box.
>You could choose Mettler colours for Her, but She may not like them.
>
>>>Thanks for you help... hopper.
>>
>>You are welcome. Help directed my way is
>>valued too.
>>
>Hope this helps a bit.
>Thread companies do put out thread compatibility charts (all the
>colours, not just for one design), but they want you to use "their"
>thread, not someone elses that happens to be a similar colour.
>AND, not even "black" is the same across the different palettes.
>Ackerman have at least 4 whites! /smacks forehead....
>
>Think of it like buying paint. Bristol v Berger v Taubmans etc.
>There ARE very similar shades.... but exact matches are impossible,
>and entirely up to the individual.
>
>Clear as mud??!!
>
>You "could" make a "template" guide of the Hummels based on personal
>colour choices and "maybe" transcribe the colour chart basd on the
>thread requested..... but you WOULD have to initially colour change
>the entire set manually to give yourself a basis from which to work
>from...
>And once you start doing that for the masses..... your freetime is
>OVER!! /grin
>You remember Klompje??.... same thing happened. Had to leave because
>of being overworked and underpaid!
>
>Pixie :-)
>PS.... and then there is your machine's colour displaying
>abilities..../laff. Older machines have very limited colour
>distinguishing capabilities.
>You just knew there had to be a catch!! /grin
>
>Mine can ONLY see Sulky colours, and not many at that. I need a good
>imagination and a lot of patience when the chart/file is not what my
>project's colours need to be. Any colours the machine "can't read" get
>turned to grey. If it doesn't have a colour code for any of the
>colours displayed, they all turn various shades of grey!! Handy! Not!!
>Tis why I lineup my colours beside the machine or in the thread holder
>so I don't get "lost".
You said "Clear as mud":
So I take the liberty of asking:
What I got so far is Hummel is like "photo realistic"
requiring the builder to not just have an artistic flair but
also the sewing ability to determine where stops are
in a design.. just to build a colour chart. And then
those colours have to nominate the suppliers
colour number the colour chart builder selected?
Is this even half right?
Then we have "straight" (primary colours) designs
which could be converted "on the fly".
Or does one have to have sewing skills with those too,
to know where stops should be?
And, thirdly, when doing manual punch.. both
"systems" have to be considered before punching
a vector graphic into a design format or even
selecting a graphic!
Kind of like Pro Hart on the left side of the skull and
Jean Paul Gaultier on the right !!
Am I even getting close to gathering information
from your post?
And then, then.. what does one do about this..?
>PS.... and then there is your machine's colour displaying
>abilities..../laff. Older machines have very limited colour
>distinguishing capabilities.
You say on your machine the work is labourious.
So just how the freckle does anyone get on sewing
out the myriad of designs posted here (ABCP) with no CCs !!
As to actually building ones own designs,
what then is a solution here.. choose one default thread
system and punch all your designs around that base?
Or produce the same design using say three or four
popular thread suppliers?
Copy 1 Sulky
Copy 2 Isacord
Copy 3 Floriani
Copy 4 Mettler
?
?
And, next question.. who determines what is popular?
The puncher, the thread supplier or the sewer?
Apols for the delay (and being distracted by your fanboi)
but things got kind of busy around here yesterday ;-)
thanks
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