M&M Chocolate <M&M@chocolate.com>wrote:
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>On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 06:50:25 +1000, hopper
><hiPrn.146571$rq1.131792@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>:
>
>>M&M Chocolate <M&M@chocolate.com>wrote:
>>[..]
>>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:26:31 +1000, hopper
>>><8Kurn.260927$vr1.198641@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com>:
>>>
>>>>M&M Chocolate <M&M@chocolate.com>wrote:
>>>>>I am so sorry Herb. It is my ignorant part. I thought if someone had
>>>>>plain bowl and just slab on a star wala there I would have the bowl side.
>>>>>
>>>>>If it is such labor intense, I don't mean to have someone to waste their
>>>>>precious time on me. I sincerely apologize.
>>>>>
>>>>mmm.. M&M, your reponse tells me you have no concept of
>>>>the enormity of such a project.
>>>>Myself, rather than read what is a somewhat dubious
>>>>'apology', I would be more motivated if some
>>>>understanding of what was being asked was expressed.
>>>>In my part of the world
>>>><q>
>>>>waste their precious time on me
>>>></q>
>>>>is classic "passive aggressive" behavior..
>>>>.. we all live in differing orbits tho', I guess.
>>>> /shrug
>>>>
>>>>How much lace work have you ever done?
>>>>Assembly, stitching or otherwise?
>>>
>>>I had very little digitizing experience.
>>
>>Ditto..
>>
>>
>>> Mostly I used 4D extra for auto
>>>digitizing. Most digitizers out there seem to use either embird and/or
>>>wilcom.
>>>
>>I follow the embird froup.. none of those"digitise"
>>either.. they "edit", mostly, if at all.
>>I myself arrived at using Wilcom after many attempts at
>>getting product out of "something else".
>>
>>>I had embroidered out many FSL lace including no assembly required, semi
>>>assembly, or like bowl and book covers heavy assembly required. Sewing on
>>>the other hand, I can claim MYSELF as number 2 and no one will dare to
>>>claim number one.
>>>
>>I do not sew.
>>
>>> Friend of mine loves Dallas cowboy, so I thought a FSL bowl with each side
>>>has star and doily with star would be not just wonderful but jaw drop
>>>surprise.
>>
>>Indeed.
>>
>>> Mostly, I said to myself how hard the FSL star could be which
>>>mostly straight line.
>>
>>Ah.. but it isn't.. it is a shape, a shape that has to
>>be represented *in* lace.
>>
>>>So, after reading digitizing expert Herb's reply.
>>>
>>IF Herb was honest with others he would be saying by
>>now , in fact long ago, "I am not a digitiser, at all".
>>However each to his own.
>>I sense you will discover this for yourself :-^
>>
>>> I did attempt to digitizing, but I think I need to combine the star with the
>>>bowl side first in graphic to digitize
>>>
>>You wont do this work using an "autodigitiser".
>>
>>>
>>>which I did the bowl side and the
>>>star both in FSL, I did merge them, but I am afraid to stitch out.
>>>
>>I have come in late (been busy) so I see the truth of
>>your fear, your attempt fell to pieces on the floor?
>>Right?
>>I could have saved you the effort as the approach you
>>are using will never work and it is wrong to encourage
>>you. And anything else is going to look cheap and
>>"second-rate".. hardly "jaw dropping" then , eh? :-)
>>
>>One day.. and it may take a generational change.. the
>>general run of person using this NG _will_ come to
>>understand Usenet does not work in "real time".
>>Therefore you use Usenet, and the opinions of its
>>users, to _gather_ information and THEN do something.
>>To read a single post, or a single day of posts, and
>>then run off to act on what was posted is just plain
>>folly.
>>
>>>Oh well, sometime great idea is not necessarily executable. There is no
>>>hurt to think.
>>
>>Very true... think then about building the star and
>>then *adding* the lace to it as a perimeter to end up
>>with a whole side.
>>
>>M&M...
>>This is a lace project, I don't do lace.
>>Two reasons.
>>1. I have 'seen' first hand what expert lacework
>>presents as when 'sewn'.. the intricacy and true skill
>>required is something a digitiser cannot trust another
>>with in sewing out. You digitise you sew.
>>Design houses that produce these designs are welcome to
>>the work.
>>2. Lace work is an architectural AND engineering
>>creation.
>>I am one, not the other.. so I just do not have the
>>basic skill to even attempt building a lace design.
>>
>>And, yes.. Thought and Exploration are wonderful tools
>>in Life.. as is Recognition.
>>
>>Recognise you cannot auto-digi lace. Herb not knowiing
>>that basic fact should be screaming a truth at you.
>>
>>"res0y7ux" (Don) would have given you all of the above
>>as a message.. these days he has to use a medium.
>>He forwards his apologies as he is far too busy
>>entertaining de Lawd.
>
>After the first attempt, those stitches outside the star fall apart, but
>not the star.
>
>I brought Bonnie's digitizing tutorial and went through them. Give up is
>not in my dictionary, so I brought more digitizing tutorial like Diane and
>Carolyn today. May be couple month down the road, I will become lace
>expert.
>
Goals are excellent motivators. Take the time to enjoy
getting there.
>The thing is who on earth will give flower or lace bowl to those men that
>we women love. We want to give them the team they love logo bowl. I am
>really tired of seeing all those fancy pancy flower bowls out there in the
>market. Thank you so much both Hopper and Herb. It is great experience
>and will be wonderful and excellent experience in the future. Once I get
>one working, the rest will be history. When that day comes, I will help
>other to get what they need. Good nigh/day/afternoon/morning.
>
Your positive attitude is a joy to read, M&M.
Those around you are lucky people :-)
I see Pixie has again found the Internet so it is to
herself I direct you, that lady knows her stuff.
Keep reading and keep on digitising, M&M.. the star, as
a motif, would be a good piece of work.
Hoping to see more of the same in the years to
come :-)
--
hopper
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